Lord Yojimbo wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:Sigh, i am flabbergasted that people cannot see how dangerous and outright evil the concepts of globalism and standardisation are!
do you even understand what institutions such as these "unions" are? if not let me spell it out, they are about standardising, how can you standardise nations into 1 institution? its impossible, it cannot by its very definition work UNLESS it is tyrannical and authoritarian.
lets look at the results of standardising and globalism, its completely destroyed certain sectors of our economy and totally decimated our industrial base, with an industrial base you can whether almost any economic downturn, without an industrial base you are asking for trouble and trouble is EXACTLY what we are facing today.
the EU is by its very nature is evil and i feel sorry for you that cant see that...especially when you take into account what's happened in your own country.
Utter rubbish...I suppose you would have being alot happier if man had never progressed beyond the original tribes that migrated from the cradle of the earth (middle-east and certain parts of africa). Standardisation is not about standardising cultures mate.
Standardising:
- Common Policys that Nations can work and develope together
- Monatary Union...speaks for itself
The EU is not evil nor is it perfect but there is one standard system which does need to cvhange globally - it is that of the stock marketeering and bond speculation - those allowed the banks to overlend with borrowed cash and the ordinary person followed suit....that is where our economic system failed - the area the EU failed was the fact that having 1 central bank running 16 economies means that it will limit a countries options to print money (which is a good thing) so the monatary union setup needs to be re examined and they should have regulated the banks and skock/bond markets to a far higher joint standard
Look at it....the US got economic policy wrong (should the US be disbanded into individual states as well???). The EU dcidnt do great either but is this not just all symptomatic of the actual international economic system itself being based on unsustainable principles?
I used to work in a universally standardised industry by the way...pharma. our standards are the same across europe and the FDA work with the EMEA for harmonised standards. This guarantees that the pills you swallow in the morning are safe to use. So dont criticise harmonisation - you already embrace it every time you buy an aspirin
The world is now connected on a global scale - the EU is rife with problems but the idea itself and some aspects of it are efficient and sound...we just need to sort out the problems...this is the experiment that the EU is. To see if all these nations can work together because it is conceivable that between us all with all our combined resources and ideas we might actually achieve something greater than what we as individuals could ever hope for...Take the good with the bad.
and remember: So don't criticise harmonisation - you already embrace it every time you buy an aspirin
standardising something with regards to industry, or having a global standard for say technology is NOT what we are talking about and you should know that
we are talking about taking VASTLY different cultures and people and FORCING them to adopt a standard of living and way of life...you think that's a good thing?
look at what the EU specialises in, it specialises in turning member states into blocks and specialising in a certain field of industry, IE, the UK is the financial sector taking away from the UK its many industry's and fisheries, another block specialises in farming, another block specialises in heavy industry and so on and so forth, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with "working together", or as others have said to "avoid war and promote cooperation", hell, why not just turn us into all Borg?!?!
i'm not a xenophobe or an isolationist, i am a humanist and freedom lover, organisations such as the EU are anti-human and anti-freedom, but unlike Fascist Germany of the 40's whose tactic was the point of a gun, the EU's tactic is treaty's, agreements and contracts tying people and whole nations into agreements which are detrimental to individual nations, and unless your head really is buried in the ground so deep you cant see it, look at what's happened to Ireland since your nation was bullied into joining up, look at what's happened to Greece, Spain, Portugal and others.
experiment?! its no "experiment", the EU is doing EXACTLY what the EU is meant to be doing, Hitler tried an "experiment", it failed because it was so open and blatant people saw it for what it was, but because the EU is a bureaucracy and its weapon of choice is the pen...well, what harm can there be in a pen especially when that pen is about praying on the peoples want/need to "get along"?!
Lord Yojimbo wrote:Addon:
Globalisation is here to stay and it will benefit us all but global governance is a long way off and indeed it could be a concern if the institutions for such a world order are not transparent...power in such concentrations is dangerous but if it is done right with the correct checks and balances...it is conceivable that it might well work but we will have to overcome the problems we have though first.
understand that the EU is anti-democratic because the people have no say or right to say in who gets elected and that the policy makers-the bureaucrats who make up the EU's policy's-work BEHIND the scenes and not a single one of them is elected! that by very definition is a totalitarian regime and evil, you think they will tolerate "checks and balances" or that any kind of oversight would be effective? please don't try and preach that crap to me because i'm older than you and i have seen first hand what effect the UK's signing of these treaties with the EU has done to the UK.
Lord Yojimbo wrote:- Hunger
- An Unsound international economic system
- Pollution and Climate Change
Maybe just maybe when we have solved all this - then we could have advanced far enough to actually take that giant step and without the fear of a power grab
^LMAO, don't hold your breath. and as for hunger, we throw away so much food its incomprehensible, if we wanted to we could not only feed the starving but with regards to the 3rd world could develop them and help them become self-sufficient....
but instead of helping other nations, lets give them bailouts and take away their resources as part of the bailout and then impose loan sharking rates on them so they are never able to lift themselves up, then lets put meters on their houses and jack up the prices for everything to the point they cant even afford to have water while company's like Coca-Cola can come in and tap the underground reservoirs of clean water and drain them dry, and then dump toxic chemicals they use to clean the bottles with back into the local environment....yeah, that's a good plan!
climate change? what climate change are you talking about?
That quotation is open to intrepretation as well 
