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well then yr question is
where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?

and it asks for the connection from where Christmas is connected to another festival or fest.

since the birth of Jesus cant be known then that date was placed as a feast in the end day of saturnalia pagan fest, perhaps to get more followers somehow.

now yr hints are not related to the question , because if its not during the religion age (which is normal) and Roman empire (here it mess up because it means theres no connection between the christian christmas fest and any ancient fest prior to roman empire) , remember that the rman empire are quite ancient.

Rather funny how the proposal of a Cease Fire in game, based on the idea of the cease fire that happened during WW1 between armed forces, turned into arguing about the origins of Christmas.

Lithium wrote:well then yr question is
where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?

and it asks for the connection from where Christmas is connected to another festival or fest.

since the birth of Jesus cant be known then that date was placed as a feast in the end day of saturnalia pagan fest, perhaps to get more followers somehow.

now yr hints are not related to the question , because if its not during the religion age (which is normal) and Roman empire (here it mess up because it means theres no connection between the christian christmas fest and any ancient fest prior to roman empire) , remember that the rman empire are quite ancient.

Another hint, it predates the persian empire.

ill look for it but what ever it could be then it cant be the answer of yr question

"where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?"

since it has nothing to do with Christmas.

~BrunoDaOzzy~ wrote:I think we should implement a GW wide NO WAR policy during the Christmas and New Year Holiday Periods....

I think maybe from the 22nd of December until the 5th of January of every year

For this topic Ricos will have a new adventure...

Lithium wrote:ill look for it but what ever it could be then it cant be the answer of yr question

"where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?"

since it has nothing to do with Christmas.

Kinda agree with you since christmas just took the place of that pagan celebration. Doesn't mean they are related in any way.

This is not an argument, this is an intruging discussion, if it is too touchy then do not participate or request it be locked. I am simply interested to see if folks know where this is derived..some answers are correct in that it was pagan turned christian at a point in time, but those answers are for another question such as "When did the church slap thier tag on the celebration" But the holiday itself began somewre long long ago, and my question is "Where" did this come from.

A Christian might say it goes back all the way to the Fall of Man and Gods decision to offer mankind redemption through Christ.

That'd predate almost everything, from a creationsits's perspective.

Stuart Gordon wrote:A Christian might say it goes back all the way to the Fall of Man and Gods decision to offer mankind redemption through Christ.

That'd predate almost everything, from a creationsits's perspective.

Nice, a little too far back tho..move forward a bit.

then its the solstice feast, although the solstice is actually around the 22nd, the elevation of the sun's path is most noticeable a few days after the Solstice, so many celebrations are held on the 25th.
In addition to ancient Solstice celebrations, December 25th marks the births of many ancient Pagan Gods. I.E.- Mithras, Attis, Osiris, Dionysus and is also the date of the Sun-God celebration of Saturnalia.
Wiccans feast the Yule at that date

seraphim wrote:http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

Thats way too recent...

Jedi~Tank wrote:

Lithium wrote:well then yr question is
where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?

and it asks for the connection from where Christmas is connected to another festival or fest.

since the birth of Jesus cant be known then that date was placed as a feast in the end day of saturnalia pagan fest, perhaps to get more followers somehow.

now yr hints are not related to the question , because if its not during the religion age (which is normal) and Roman empire (here it mess up because it means theres no connection between the christian christmas fest and any ancient fest prior to roman empire) , remember that the rman empire are quite ancient.

Another hint, it predates the persian empire.

If it predates the Persian Empire, then I would have to assume it is the Babylonian's celebration for Nimrod ( name makes me laugh every time) as the sun god. Many many many cultures in the area consider that time of year to be the birth of the sun (ie, Unconquered Sun) and/or the Sun God. Babylon did it first, though.

Psyko wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

Lithium wrote:well then yr question is
where did the celebration of the holiday we now know as christmas began?

and it asks for the connection from where Christmas is connected to another festival or fest.

since the birth of Jesus cant be known then that date was placed as a feast in the end day of saturnalia pagan fest, perhaps to get more followers somehow.

now yr hints are not related to the question , because if its not during the religion age (which is normal) and Roman empire (here it mess up because it means theres no connection between the christian christmas fest and any ancient fest prior to roman empire) , remember that the rman empire are quite ancient.

Another hint, it predates the persian empire.

If it predates the Persian Empire, then I would have to assume it is the Babylonian's celebration for Nimrod ( name makes me laugh every time) as the sun god. Many many many cultures in the area consider that time of year to be the birth of the sun (ie, Unconquered Sun) and/or the Sun God. Babylon did it first, though.

cha-ching

Also known as the Mother/Child cult whereas Semirimas was the virgin queen that gave birth to the god child of whom was also her husband. The tree adornment and other things was scooped right up by the supposed christian church and incorporated babylonian paganism into its practice and called it "christian" when in fact no such practice was ever condoned by any biblical teaching by God or Christ or any of the writers of the bible.

"His name is Nimrod, It means ‘the rebel,’
and is evidently meant to designate the nature
of the man. He was the first specimen of giant
tyranny after the flood. His Defiance of Jehovah
was perpetrated in wickedness and ambition under
the very eye of Jehovah. Nimrod's assumptions were
religious as well as political. Nimrod presented
himself not only for obedience but also for worship.
His awful greatness was of ambitious rebellion,
apostasy and defiance of Jehovah. And as it was Babel
that was the beginning of his empire, so is ‘Babylon the great’
its consummation and close."
-Nimrod
by Horatius Bonar
1808-1889


recently i herd theres a petition against the christmas event , follow link below

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/RESTOR ... TO-PAGANS/