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Still stands, religion is bad for humanity. Has some role in society, sure, but not more than that.
Faith is good, a driving force for humanity, but religion is made to control the 'faiths' of people.

Faith is dynamic, fluid, ever changing.. religion is stuck, fixed and non-moving.
It is time more people understood that.

Jedi~Tank wrote:Do so, then give the reasoning for the commands. i love biblical studies.

I don't like bible studies, they bore me. I also wont be giving any sermons. Been there, done that. I was a pastor at one time, ya know.

Psyko wrote:But I have so many issues with any/all organized religions...which is a misnomer anyway, because clearly there is no organization in any existing religion.

The Catholic church has exhibited some pretty strong organization skills. Many other denominations also have some pretty strong organization.

Juliette wrote:Still stands, religion is bad for humanity. Has some role in society, sure, but not more than that.
Faith is good, a driving force for humanity, but religion is made to control the 'faiths' of people.

Faith is dynamic, fluid, ever changing.. religion is stuck, fixed and non-moving.
It is time more people understood that.

People should keep their faith to themselves ...

Its funny, all religious books are based on writings which are as trustworthy as fairy tales ...

Sure there is more out there then we can see ... but no-one can explain, and no-one knows exactly what ... to take someones writing, which was handed down by the thousands of millenniums, re-written to favor writers themselves, is nothing but foolish ... every religion has massive amounts of troubles explaining the religions that came before them .... and writes it of as blasphemy and at some point favors to kill it so the next generation knows nothing of it ... Muslims and Christians been doing that the last 2000 years, and failed ....

People, the masses more accurately, are like sheep, the poster from fox mulders office in x-files describes that best, "I want to believe" . Comes back to faith I suppose.

Religion is a time based thing ... in 2000 years some one will address a book how the flying spaghetti monster wants all other religions slaughtered.
Its all a bad yoke, I hope at one point some aliens will come down agreeing that humanity has matured enough to tell them the truth. With our current capacity and knowledge, thats actually the most plausible .... for now.

Humans are a social creature. They will share their experiences, especially ones often as profound as faith-based things. 'They should keep their faith to themselves,' is not natural. Besides, it would stunt the human race as a whole to do so. However sticking labels on everything and putting a 'divinely given doctrine' in stone is not the way either.

Open discussion in which everyone can profess their faith, maybe have a few local -team-/community building- rituals (like raising a flag or whatever), fine. But as soon as it gets used as a means to force people into thinking a certain way, it goes bad.

Interestingly, 'thought control' allows for a superficially perfect democracy without the hassle of having to deal with various opinions. Guess the doctrinarians figured that out a few millennia ago.

Jedi~Tank wrote:

Zeratul wrote:religion in general is one of the causes for rather large portion of all conflicts in human history. There's hardly any religion that is clean of that blame. Especially not the biggest ones...


if we recall correctly, eating shellfish is supposed to be a bad thing according to that bible...

Not to argue, but i think MEN/WOMEN are the cause as religion is created by "us".

@psyko- I agree but we cnnot abandon Israel as they HAVE A RIGHT to exist and NOBODY has the right to savagely exterminate them. In my own personal opinion the people groups that are fanatically seeking this idiotic retribution would do better for themselves by learning to be civilized rather than seeking heaven through savagery and ignorance.

We can give other countries' governments our support without sending troops or a ton of money over to them. Especially with global media and technology, a lot of things can be "won" through PR campaigns and public addresses. The US has proven time and again that we will send troops when necessary...or unnecessary. If we dial that back and show support without such an active role, and allow other countries whom have taken a backseat to the US for the past 50 years to step up and take charge of something for once. Trust out allies....and let them spend millions of dollars and hundreds of lives to defend other countries rights for once.

Dovahkiin wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Do so, then give the reasoning for the commands. i love biblical studies.

I don't like bible studies, they bore me. I also wont be giving any sermons. Been there, done that. I was a pastor at one time, ya know.

Psyko wrote:But I have so many issues with any/all organized religions...which is a misnomer anyway, because clearly there is no organization in any existing religion.

The Catholic church has exhibited some pretty strong organization skills. Many other denominations also have some pretty strong organization.

On a hierarchical level, sure. But if you look at an individual church/temple of each of those religions, you will see how disorganized they truly are. Real organization is all-encompassing, but the Vatican can't even keep their Bishops in their robes or parishioners in the pews, so what does that say to their organization?

My city has the most churches per capita (I believe in the country). We also have a very low percentage of people who actually attend church. It may have something to do with also having the most strip clubs per capita, but I think most of it has to do with the extreme lack of organization on a local level. Churches are dying all over the country, lacking any youth groups or recruiting new members. My cynical side leaves me to believe it's because people are growing common sense and realize organized religion only holds them back and tells them a laundry list of how they should and should not live their lives, and how they should tell others (ie: spread the word) they should be living their lives. But that is likely only somewhat grounded in personal bias.

Psyko wrote:On a hierarchical level, sure. But if you look at an individual church/temple of each of those religions, you will see how disorganized they truly are. Real organization is all-encompassing, but the Vatican can't even keep their Bishops in their robes or parishioners in the pews, so what does that say to their organization?

My city has the most churches per capita (I believe in the country). We also have a very low percentage of people who actually attend church. It may have something to do with also having the most strip clubs per capita, but I think most of it has to do with the extreme lack of organization on a local level. Churches are dying all over the country, lacking any youth groups or recruiting new members. My cynical side leaves me to believe it's because people are growing common sense and realize organized religion only holds them back and tells them a laundry list of how they should and should not live their lives, and how they should tell others (ie: spread the word) they should be living their lives. But that is likely only somewhat grounded in personal bias.

People leaving churches says little to nothing about their organizational abilities. Rather it speaks to the product being sold by the church.

Youth groups are a sort of PR program for a church. They exist to recruit new members more than anything else. A church's inability to recruit new members is not indicative of it's ability to organize. More it's an indication of the church's inability to properly advertise.

Just because a church doesn't have a certain program, doesn't necessarily mean they don't have the ability organize that program.

Remember, churches are businesses. They are selling a product and service. If people are unwilling to buy that product/service, then it doesn't matter how well organized the church is. It'll still die.

The catholic church is very unorganised that can't even stop their priests abusing the children.

yellow eyes wrote:The catholic church is very unorganised that can't even stop their priests abusing the children.

In order for it to be stated accurately that they can not do something, they must first try to do it.

still waiting for the two egyptians in my workplace to burn some flags... or kill the american in my workplace... but they keep saying "hi" and generally are nice to him and everybody else instead

Dovahkiin wrote:

Psyko wrote:On a hierarchical level, sure. But if you look at an individual church/temple of each of those religions, you will see how disorganized they truly are. Real organization is all-encompassing, but the Vatican can't even keep their Bishops in their robes or parishioners in the pews, so what does that say to their organization?

My city has the most churches per capita (I believe in the country). We also have a very low percentage of people who actually attend church. It may have something to do with also having the most strip clubs per capita, but I think most of it has to do with the extreme lack of organization on a local level. Churches are dying all over the country, lacking any youth groups or recruiting new members. My cynical side leaves me to believe it's because people are growing common sense and realize organized religion only holds them back and tells them a laundry list of how they should and should not live their lives, and how they should tell others (ie: spread the word) they should be living their lives. But that is likely only somewhat grounded in personal bias.

People leaving churches says little to nothing about their organizational abilities. Rather it speaks to the product being sold by the church.

Youth groups are a sort of PR program for a church. They exist to recruit new members more than anything else. A church's inability to recruit new members is not indicative of it's ability to organize. More it's an indication of the church's inability to properly advertise.

Just because a church doesn't have a certain program, doesn't necessarily mean they don't have the ability organize that program.

Remember, churches are businesses. They are selling a product and service. If people are unwilling to buy that product/service, then it doesn't matter how well organized the church is. It'll still die.

I suppose the conversation has steered from the definition of "organization" which I intended.

An organized religion has a sort of all-encompassing control. An organized business would have all their ducks in a row and even the minor, fringe, departments would be held closely to company standards and properly monitored. Few religions have such a strong organization to them. Part of this is due to their sheer size, but also their leadership. You could attend one church and receive an entirely different message than the next church you attend, even in the same specific denomination. There is no unified structure to religion, which is good to an small extent and terrible to others.

all religions are fake , they are tools of population control and nothing else, older they ar emore **Filtered** they have said not that the new havent but they have moderated a bit.

as the US troops are to leave Iraq this year then the Israeli mind blowers need em in the region for a possible attack b4 the election in US.

the whole north africa spring happened just to reinforce US military presence in teh region, take a look at the map there, except Saudi Arabia u wont find any other country where the US isnt involved. The whole region is on the verge of a Midle East War. after the failed attempt to re=establish democracy in Egypt , god knows why lol, we see this movie and suddenly theres fire raining there and the US fleets standing orders in Mediterranean sea.

The US isnt not only supporting Israel but also fighting against any country that dare the US $. dont forget Iraq first , Libia and Iran have followed a monetary policy that leave US $ out of the business. they do want to trade oil for gold and base their finance in gold rather $steroido US $.

Libia fell for that reason and cuz they wanted to start a kind of united africa some sort of EU.


the today concern is Will Israeli hit Iran b4 the US election or NOT. Theywont be able if US leaves Iraqi.

I just heard the film maker of the film now has a 100k bounty on his head.

Sol wrote:I just heard the film maker of the film now has a 100k bounty on his head.

true...

Sol wrote:I just heard the film maker of the film now has a 100k bounty on his head.

An illegal bounty by a rogue Pakistani minister, but yes, a bounty.
100k just about covers my flight ticket (I fly in style) and expenses for a cab to this dude's house. Make it 10 million, sit back and watch the fireworks. (he is an Enemy of Islam after all, so should be worth just about as much as any terrorist..)

Sol wrote:I just heard the film maker of the film now has a 100k bounty on his head.

Yup, and there are so many people around strapped for cash that I would not be in the least bit surprised if anyone tried to actually pull it off.