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Juliette wrote:*grin* Amusement above.

*grin*
I have enjoyed your attempt to deflect and defuse any actual discussion in regards to this topic.
Good luck doing that for the next week or so.

George Hazard wrote:

Juliette wrote:*grin* Amusement above.

*grin*
I have enjoyed your attempt to deflect and defuse any actual discussion in regards to this topic.
Good luck doing that for the next week or so.

The chapter is closed. You will get no argument from me.
Enjoy whatever you like.

Juliette wrote:

George Hazard wrote:

Juliette wrote:*grin* Amusement above.

*grin*
I have enjoyed your attempt to deflect and defuse any actual discussion in regards to this topic.
Good luck doing that for the next week or so.

The chapter is closed. You will get no argument from me.
Enjoy whatever you like.

I have no intention of reopening it. I will keep to replying to this thread and this thread alone in regards to this topic of discussion.

This post was me adding my thoughts. All three of us should.

Where is ol' Zippy? Oh thats right... he took off after losing his admin powers. My mistake.

Wooo I gots a quote in one of your reveal all threads

Yeah I know what Z is currently focusing on, and he's quite relieved that he doesn't have to deal with those forums anymore.
I know he did bad "filtered" stuff here, but if the head admin guy (whose identity I'm currently confused on, but I'm pretty sure it's Jason?) wanted to keep him around so long, he obviously did well enough, eh? Doubt Z had been bribing him to keep his position, that would be ridiculous considering the amount of material and intellectual profit available here, lol.

What I keep trying to pull through is that he is human, and everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are worse than others, but they're mistakes nonetheless.
Once more, I don't defend his actions as an admin. I'm trying to defend the person he is.

Gaius wrote:Yeah I know what Z is currently focusing on, and he's quite relieved that he doesn't have to deal with those forums anymore.
I know he did bad "filtered" stuff here, but if the head admin guy (whose identity I'm currently confused on, but I'm pretty sure it's Jason?) wanted to keep him around so long, he obviously did well enough, eh? Doubt Z had been bribing him to keep his position, that would be ridiculous considering the amount of material and intellectual profit available here, lol.

What I keep trying to pull through is that he is human, and everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are worse than others, but they're mistakes nonetheless.
Once more, I don't defend his actions as an admin. I'm trying to defend the person he is.

You're really going to use Jason as a point of proof? The guy who puts in suggestions 2 years after they're made? The guy deleted off 3 users because he couldn't be assed dealing with the logic in the issue. He cares more about having the forums and game up, less about the actual quality of each.

Gaius wrote:Yeah I know what Z is currently focusing on, and he's quite relieved that he doesn't have to deal with those forums anymore.
I know he did bad "filtered" stuff here, but if the head admin guy (whose identity I'm currently confused on, but I'm pretty sure it's Jason?) wanted to keep him around so long, he obviously did well enough, eh? Doubt Z had been bribing him to keep his position, that would be ridiculous considering the amount of material and intellectual profit available here, lol.

What I keep trying to pull through is that he is human, and everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are worse than others, but they're mistakes nonetheless.
Once more, I don't defend his actions as an admin. I'm trying to defend the person he is.

Jason kept Z around 'cause he liked him. Favorites and $ have always been his thing.

Your amusing dislike for Jason does not make him wrong.

Juliette wrote:Your amusing dislike for Jason does not make him wrong.

Nor does it make him right.

xDaku wrote:

Juliette wrote:Your amusing dislike for Jason does not make him wrong.

Nor does it make him right.

Absolutely.

Which adds up to observers commenting on his actions. I don't know Jason as a person, so disliking Jason is a bad assumption. I dislike his worth ethic, and it's hardly worthy to be used as a point to prove Z's own work ethics.

xDaku wrote:Which adds up to observers commenting on his actions. I don't know Jason as a person, so disliking Jason is a bad assumption. I dislike his worth ethic, and it's hardly worthy to be used as a point to prove Z's own work ethics.

Ah, but the outside observers in such situations are about as reliable an observer as an Israeli in an Iranian nuclear testing facility. (That is, they see what they want to see; which is what everyone hopes they will not see.)

You are looking in on processes of which you only see marginal aspects, and you base your dislike of their work ethics on that minimal reliable information you get; some (worthless bits) of which is leaked intelligence, other bits are conjecture by parties of unequal understanding..


All in all, it is your opinion, and you have every right to have it. We will just agree to disagree on the matter, trivial as it is.

Gaius wrote:Yeah I know what Z is currently focusing on, and he's quite relieved that he doesn't have to deal with those forums anymore.
I know he did bad "filtered" stuff here, but if the head admin guy (whose identity I'm currently confused on, but I'm pretty sure it's Jason?) wanted to keep him around so long, he obviously did well enough, eh? Doubt Z had been bribing him to keep his position, that would be ridiculous considering the amount of material and intellectual profit available here, lol.

What I keep trying to pull through is that he is human, and everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are worse than others, but they're mistakes nonetheless.
Once more, I don't defend his actions as an admin. I'm trying to defend the person he is.

No one is questioning his humanity.
But being human is not an excuse, if you can't handle the job, quit. **Filtered** up and saying "oops I'm just human" is not good enough.


I know your comment wasn't directed at me (maybe it was), but I don't think I have ever attacked the person, merely his actions and persona.

Juliette wrote:Your amusing dislike for Jason does not make him wrong.

as for you poppet.

I am fully aware that Jason had you and Z in a private channel talking about all of this literally at the same time he and I were talking on IRC and he decided to ban me.

Dislike has nothing to do with anything. He made stupid decisions in the heat of the moment, whilst putzing around with one of the people the issue was about instead of maintaining impartiality as THE LEADER.

Loki™ wrote:

Gaius wrote:Yeah I know what Z is currently focusing on, and he's quite relieved that he doesn't have to deal with those forums anymore.
I know he did bad "filtered" stuff here, but if the head admin guy (whose identity I'm currently confused on, but I'm pretty sure it's Jason?) wanted to keep him around so long, he obviously did well enough, eh? Doubt Z had been bribing him to keep his position, that would be ridiculous considering the amount of material and intellectual profit available here, lol.

What I keep trying to pull through is that he is human, and everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are worse than others, but they're mistakes nonetheless.
Once more, I don't defend his actions as an admin. I'm trying to defend the person he is.

Jason kept Z around 'cause he liked him. Favorites and $ have always been his thing.

Jason has always played favorites, he does it here and he does it in-game.
And you know what, its impossible for people to not have a favorite. Its simply the way it is, every one has a favorite. Every parent a favorite child, every person a favorite friend. You can deny it all you want but deep down its the truth.

My beef with Jason is his inability to make decisions against his friends.
That is why Z got away with what he did. Daddy always stepped in to make it go away.

It was one of the last things I said to jason, that he needed to finally get off his ass and make a god damned decision because this "lets ignore it and hope it goes away" **Filtered** of his has never once worked. I told him I didn't care if it ended well or not for me, so long as he finally grew a pair and did something.

I have seen far lesser actions punished more severely than stuff Jason has let his friends get away with over the year (not just Z) and I have seen him go to great lengths to do things for friends just the same.

Mr. Almighty needs to start being impartial. Friends is one thing, but when you are the boss it needs to be the primary thought process.

Juliette wrote:

xDaku wrote:Which adds up to observers commenting on his actions. I don't know Jason as a person, so disliking Jason is a bad assumption. I dislike his worth ethic, and it's hardly worthy to be used as a point to prove Z's own work ethics.

Ah, but the outside observers in such situations are about as reliable an observer as an Israeli in an Iranian nuclear testing facility. (That is, they see what they want to see; which is what everyone hopes they will not see.)

You are looking in on processes of which you only see marginal aspects, and you base your dislike of their work ethics on that minimal reliable information you get; some (worthless bits) of which is leaked intelligence, other bits are conjecture by parties of unequal understanding..


All in all, it is your opinion, and you have every right to have it. We will just agree to disagree on the matter, trivial as it is.

Wrong.

The information that has been "leaked" is not minimal. Nor is it in any way marginal.
That is ALL that went on. You know it too, so you can take your defense tactic and try another one.

And lets play semantics here, its not leaked. Those threads no longer exist.

Not necessarily. A consumer uses an apple product, finds an inconsistency, complains to Apple about it just to have their access to this product shut down.

Work ethic is always judged by outsiders/consumers. Jason sucks at keeping his user base happy. Jason sucks at setting a fair system over an easy system. This is all stuff that's been proven time and time again.

His excuse before used to be "too much work irl/family". Failure to balance it out = poor work ethic. His knee jerk failure of a reaction in deleting off 3 users' years of dedication to this forum was a crap decision directly based off his lack of good work ethics.

xDaku wrote:
His excuse before used to be "too much work irl/family". Failure to balance it out = poor work ethic. His knee jerk failure of a reaction in deleting off 3 users' years of dedication to this forum was a crap decision directly based off his lack of good work ethics.

Quite honestly, deleting us isn't the issue. Or at least it shouldn't be.

The issue was the careless destruction of what the majority of those posts were, not who made them.
I know for a fact only 5k of mine were in the temple... assume 5-8k were spam elsewhere and you have about 12k non-useless posts now missing just from me alone.