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Wow...I thought that this had actually died out months ago.
*Cringes at necromatic powers used on this thread*

Forum wrote:how about we just remove the vacation button, and eliminate all this crap.
and the update does work as it should since hte change to 1day.
and i take insult with your post. how many people do you think it would take to 'mediate' every complaint with 50,000 accounts? although we could move to a subscription service where you cant play for free...then everyone gets a personal mediator...?
making bugs on purpose? come on....
either start getting realistic, or come back in 10 years when you're 16.

reinhardt wrote:I have a rather fundamental suggestion that may indeed have everyone up in arms, but, if implemented would work amazingly well: How about the admins doing their jobs? Ok, so we have people who hit and run, but by admins own admission, their logs record everything. So how about introducing a conflict mediation where a person can bring forward evidence of this to the admin and have the appropriate person a) make reparations to the aggrieved party and b) be sanctioned. THAT would be an ideal solution, because then we wouldn't have all this crapola around vacation mode.

Unless this is all a ploy on the creators part to garner more money out of people who are inclined to buy ppt? Which would be highly unethical and dare I say...on the grey side of the law? 0_o

First of all allow me to apologise if you took a quip as an insult. My intent wasn't made in order to harbour ill will towards yourself on either side, but merely express my own natural cynicism about the way the cyber world operates today; you may well be entirely ethical in terms of the way you run SGW, and I applaud you for that, but I know a good number of sites that aren't quite so ethical, which is where my statement is borne from.

50,000 accounts yes, but at any one time I notice maybe 700 one at any one time, How many of those people actually have the firepower to continually do a hit and run with multiple AT's...A grievance is quickly resolved, and all it takes is simply looking at the logs with an investigation...You appear to have more than enough members who are willing to "teach n00bs lessons" (as I write this, I'm witnessing losing half of my strike action rating) , why can't you appoint people to look into it and offload some of the responsibility? that is my point. Personally I had a beef with the vacation, I think it's pretty damned irrelevant, because nine times out of ten when you need it , you can't plan for that sort of thing; you just can't. A group of mediators who quite thoroughly investigate such circumstances I think would work to the advantage of yourself (relieving workload) and the gamer (insurance policy that rules are followed)...Is that so unreasonable a consideration to ask for?

have you noticed that you are suddenly....missing weapons? wonder how that happened...












NEXT time, realise how much admin works on this and other games. It's a full time job. I will leave your account alone from now on as a favor to a friend. DON'T convince me to finish the job....also, train more spies...sabbing was WAY too easy.


Bill

yeah I've been working on the spies, I havent got the most fantastic UP in the world right now so it's kind of...slow and arduous. As I stated, the comment wasn't meant as an insult or even an insinuation, merely demonstrating a personal sense of cynicism about the way the web can be.

reinhardt wrote:yeah I've been working on the spies, I havent got the most fantastic UP in the world right now so it's kind of...slow and arduous. As I stated, the comment wasn't meant as an insult or even an insinuation, merely demonstrating a personal sense of cynicism about the way the web can be.

reinhardt wrote:How about the admins doing their jobs? Ok, so we have people who hit and

That wasn't intended as an insult? Right......And stop claiming 'cynicism' as some sort of an excue, the only purpose if it is to mock/insult anyways..You insulted admin, pianomutt made you pay for it. Move on, and learn from your mistakes.

lord morlock wrote:

reinhardt wrote:yeah I've been working on the spies, I havent got the most fantastic UP in the world right now so it's kind of...slow and arduous. As I stated, the comment wasn't meant as an insult or even an insinuation, merely demonstrating a personal sense of cynicism about the way the web can be.

reinhardt wrote:How about the admins doing their jobs? Ok, so we have people who hit and

That wasn't intended as an insult? Right......And stop claiming 'cynicism' as some sort of an excue, the only purpose if it is to mock/insult anyways..You insulted admin, pianomutt made you pay for it. Move on, and learn from your mistakes.

I understand on outward appearance that it was construed by forum to be an insult, and I have already apologised for my error; what would you like in terms of an apology? I have offered my own natural cyncism as an explanation of my standpoint, not an excuse to hide behind.

I'm rather well versed in the english language. I assure you, I know what I meant in the context I meant it in. Please don't assume to tell me otherwise, ou tof manners alone I would never presume to tell you your own mind, it just isn't cricket.

thank you for the apology - accepted.
i will in turn apologize for my tone - i usually do not get riled so easily, but questioning my ethics, and 'doing my job' are 2 things i will not let be questioned. We run 100% ethicly, and do a LOT with the site. Do we get to everything we could in an ideal world? No (as i type i still have emails a couple weeks old i need to respond to....) do we do teh best we can, -yes.
anyway - you picked bad statements to make if no insult was intended

as for 'log checkers' this is not so easy...with players volunteering, it then opens up logs as a strategy/advantage/etc ... and its not just massing at question -there are 3+ other issues 'log checkers' could be used for.
but - if i open it up to say 10 people, a) 10 ppl and their contacts/alliances/friends now have an advantage ingame. b)each one of those 10 will 'mediate' differently, and ultimately i'll get emailed in escalations (i know this is how it will work from other similar setups....)

so - i still hold its not realistic outside of a monthly subscription type setup (and i am not moving there), and i am always willing to listen to opinions, but please do not insult while doing so......

finally - with vacation at 1 day no attacks now, it is not so bad. and it is a balance with attack/ppt/vacation/attack/ppt/vacation which if there was no delay, would be needed. (and if you cant go on vacation after a vacation, the whole 'what if i get an emergency' comes in again - no perfect solutions....)

thank you
admin
(matter closed in my opinion....)

Solution

Player A attacks (masses/sabs/farms) player B (the intent and purpose is there, player A knows exactly what he/she is doing)

Player A then retreats into vacation for fear of return fire (and/or alliance wide return fire)

Player B is now in a no win situation - Vac mode has shut the account down and is untouchable. Maintain the untouchable vacationary status, however allow Player B the exclusive rights to be an aggressor despite it.

The onus is on Player A not to get himself into trouble in the first place.

The advantage is that Vacation mode still protects you, at least from every one other than those you have been an aggressor toward. For example, more than five attacks in a certain period of time, and close to the time of Vacation (consider a massing would need a good few more attacks than that)

Player B can have his/her revenge solely (assuming he/she is capable of it - that is their problem) Player A gets a quiet vacation if they've not been massing and such, but are liable to come uppance if they have.

Unless you are a war crazy player who persistently masses and sabs others, you are unlikely to have any problems whilst on Vacation mode.

Summary -

Allow aggressors to be susceptible to attack even on Vacation mode whereby they exceed a standard number of aggressive movements towards an individual within a given time period before Vacation mode is taken but only by the individual attacked.

Any comments/critiscism most welcome. I do think this could work

Louis wrote:Solution

Player A attacks (masses/sabs/farms) player B (the intent and purpose is there, player A knows exactly what he/she is doing)

Player A then retreats into vacation for fear of return fire (and/or alliance wide return fire)

Player B is now in a no win situation - Vac mode has shut the account down and is untouchable. Maintain the untouchable vacationary status, however allow Player B the exclusive rights to be an aggressor despite it.

The onus is on Player A not to get himself into trouble in the first place.

The advantage is that Vacation mode still protects you, at least from every one other than those you have been an aggressor toward. For example, more than five attacks in a certain period of time, and close to the time of Vacation (consider a massing would need a good few more attacks than that)

Player B can have his/her revenge solely (assuming he/she is capable of it - that is their problem) Player A gets a quiet vacation if they've not been massing and such, but are liable to come uppance if they have.

Unless you are a war crazy player who persistently masses and sabs others, you are unlikely to have any problems whilst on Vacation mode.

Summary -

Allow aggressors to be susceptible to attack even on Vacation mode whereby they exceed a standard number of aggressive movements towards an individual within a given time period before Vacation mode is taken but only by the individual attacked.

Any comments/critiscism most welcome. I do think this could work

Two problems with this. One for both sides.


This is a massive multi player game, not just a game where two people square off at each other. So with your update commanders no longer could protect their officers, etc. Just mass someone weak and hide out with no fear.

The other side is, what would it be like to be massed while in vacation mode? You cannot touch your account for two days while someone worked you over. That would be crazy to do.