The new Tok'ra movement in SGW

[Teal'auc of the Void]

LIES?!?!?!?

I am a GOD, I would never lie

Cut off 'the god' bull, nobody's gonna eat that anymore...

Besides, stop spamming.



Teal'auc

[Cole]

LIES?!?!?!?

I am a GOD, I would never lie

Cut off 'the god' bull, nobody's gonna eat that anymore...

Besides, stop spamming.



Teal'auc

Isn't this topic spam?

If not,
then, for the record,
tokras,


BOW BEFORE YOUR GODS!!

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Actually, it was discussion of the purpose of the new tok'ra movement - you and Lord Rylan made it spam.



Teal'auc

[Cole]

Goa'ulds spam tokra stuff and tokras spam Goa'ulds stuff...It's very old habits

[Bull-E]

YES!!!!

The tollan and system lords work together to exterminate ALL tok'ra!!!

Lies...



Teal'auc

No!

i dont know what to belive

[Tok`ra]

i dont know what to belive

then youre not the real choson one.

[Bull-E]

i dont know what to belive

then youre not the real choson one.

darn, u did not fall victim to my counterintellegence

[Spacey]

re: mod abuse

• tok'ra a lot of what you have been saying of late is without proof
• remember, evidence and proof are two different things.
• a confession is proof, seeing it happen in person(ie. bank robbery and seeing the face of the person) is proof
• there are things that you won't find out and mods/admin won't tell you
• it is not us(users) against them(mods), there is no coverup
• there is a lot of discussion between all mods from things of forum policy changes to trivial fun
  
  who decides what is right and honest?
• you have been removed from teh forum many times and have gotten around it. I do not consider that right or honourable. It is hypocritical.
  
  impartial
• but you are not impartial, for the right and honest part mentioned above, and for the simple fact that you are human
  

[Come_Forth]

but you are not impartial, for the right and honest part mentioned above, and for the simple fact that you are human

Omg you mean that mods are humans?

[Tok`ra]

re: mod abuse

-only when earned


• tok'ra a lot of what you have been saying of late is without proof
  
  -Feel free to call me on anything. I'll back it with facts.
  
  That, or do something the mods refuse to do. Freely admit when Im wrong. As it stands now, mods
  
• remember, evidence and proof are two different things.
  
  -Im willing to use both. Kinda hard when some of the suspects make both disaper with the click of a button at times.
  
• a confession is proof, seeing it happen in person(ie. bank robbery and seeing the face of the person) is proof
  
  -Evidence is admitable as well. Some evidence is more accurate than proof.
  
  A witness sees me shoot a guy, and you slip and scrape my hand on the ground, leaving small ammounts of skin and blood. Thats proof.
  
  DNA samples show the blood is yours, thats evidence.
  
  
  
• there are things that you won't find out and mods/admin won't tell you
  
  -I know some, and reguarly find out more.
  
  Ever thought that if the mod team was transparent and non paranoid about facts that maybe thered be more trust ?
  
• it is not us(users) against them(mods), there is no coverup
  
  -In this case, I agree.
  
  Just a kneejerk reaction for minimal reason.
  
  That said, the way it was handled stunk
  
• there is a lot of discussion between all mods from things of forum policy changes to trivial fun
  
  -Oh, I well aware of this. I belive in one of the threads calling for me to be banned again, Replijake opposed that viewpoint, and he ended his commment by saying Id just bypass IPbans again. and Im a good guy when you get to know me.
  
  That seems like he was having fun
  
  who decides what is right and honest?
• you have been removed from teh forum many times and have gotten around it. I do not consider that right or honourable. It is hypocritical.
  
  -Actualy, I was banned once 5 months ago and ignored bans and IP bans until just recently. Anyone remember the big drama on the fourms over bryan's ban ?
  
  Same situation, execpt I wasnt important enough to warrant a thread that was allowed open.
  
  Bias ? No.
  
  But it DOES bring to bear hypocracy among the mods, and lack of impartial treatment for ALL users.
  
  Same thing for those persons that registerd to vote in the awards, only to have their accounts deleted for cheating, despite lack of proof of cheaters (if there is proof, show me.)
  
• but you are not impartial, for the right and honest part mentioned above, and for the simple fact that you are human
  
  -And Ive listed a case of mods being partial.
  
  At least I SAY Im willing to admit my mistakes.
  
  Thats more than the mod policy of 'contridict us and youre in teh troublez.'
  

:P

[Hensenshi]

it is not us(users) against them(mods), there is no coverup

If there was, we would have won by now.

Anyone remember the big drama on the fourms over bryan's ban ?

Same situation, execpt I wasnt important enough to warrant a thread that was allowed open.

Uhhh, no. Bryan was banned ingame, you were not.. yet.

[Mulletman]

tokra tokra tokra damn this means im with buck =/

[Tok`ra]

]

Uhhh, no. Bryan was banned ingame, you were not.. yet.

WRONG.

I was banned ingame.

[Almost38]

its MM who told u to post here*wonders*lol

[Spacey]

Omg you mean that mods are humans?

Before I answer this, in the context of this discussion, I wish to establish some key principles that my response will be based upon.

• we as a human race have different societies that are composed of unique individuals
• societies themselves are varied, and smaller communities can exist in larger one comprised of individuals that share similar beliefs or values(ie. mormon, amish, etc. in traditionally progressive/forward societies, like 'western society')
  
  When homo sapiens enter into society (birth, immigration, etc.) it is in itself an humanizing experience. As human beings we have formed societies to interact, and at times it becomes necessary to remove someone from it(jail, etc.). The societies and people have belief systems and values that are common. We, therefore, have an innate bias to our experiences, values, and beliefs. For example,
  
• traditional chinese society is based on the father being the head of the family, where in western culture there is more of a shift to balance between genders
• many in India bathe in a river together while normally people in North America do not

These beliefs, values, and biases are ingrained into us because it is based on out own personal development in our respective societies. Therefore, when someone says 'mods are impartial' it may be interpreted too literally. Mods are human beings, as as human beings we have bias. The important part is not letting that effect the duties of modding, not having impartiality in their entire life(generally hold more esteem to family than someone you met yesterday).

If there was, we would have won by now.

The basis for my statement was for the sentiment that 'mods abuse their powers', etc, etc., as if we come online a few hours each day to terrorize people using text...

1. A witness sees me shoot a guy, and you slip and scrape my hand on the ground, leaving small amounts of skin and blood. Thats proof.
   
2. Ever thought that if the mod team was transparent and non paranoid about facts that maybe thread be more trust ?
   
3. Oh, I well aware of this. I belive in one of the threads calling for me to be banned again, Replijake opposed that viewpoint, and he ended his commment by saying Id just bypass IPbans again. and Im a good guy when you get to know me.
   
4. Same situation, execpt I wasnt important enough to warrant a thread that was allowed open.
   
5. But it DOES bring to bear hypocracy among the mods, and lack of impartial treatment for ALL users.
   
6. Same thing for those persons that registerd to vote in the awards, only to have their accounts deleted for cheating, despite lack of proof of cheaters (if there is proof, show me.)
   
7. Thats more than the mod policy of 'contridict us and youre in teh troublez.'

1. It is evidence that you were there, at some point, doing something, and got injured. It in itself is not proof that you shot someone.
2. Like I said, for privacy issues and other reasons certain information will not or cannot be disclosed. It might be as simple as not being any of another person's business. If it is being dealt with with all involved parties and is/has been resolved, what purpose does it serve to air dirty laundry? I think threads like this do more to scare people, when it isn't needed, and have them doubt mods then conduct of mods.
3. You may be aware of one or a few threads in the mod station, but that hardly gives a big picture. It's like trying to see the larger picture of a puzzle when you have a few blocks in your hand. From my limited conversation with you in pm about the multiple threads you were creating, you seemed to 'have things together with yourself', which is why I am investing the time to respond like this.
4. If you weren't important enough do you think there would have been this much discussion and this would still be open?
5. The conduct of each person dictates how they are treated. What you have done since you are back has an effect on events that have led up to now. You are in control of your own actions.
6. Proof or evidence may many different things. At times personal information is entered to create a forum account, and IP address(') are registered on phpBB. If the information used to discover wrongdoings was that of personal information or IP address(') do not expect that info to be disclosed. Additionally, there is no basis for the argument that every decision that admin make needs to be cleared with the general community, because it may have nothing to do with them and may be no grounds for sharing that information.
7. I've seen a lot of threads about the proper way to air a beef about a mod. It not that pple will get in trouble but that it needs to be done in the appropriate avenues(ie. pm, talk to admin, etc.)