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evilhomer wrote:

killtacular wrote:In my christian views murder is murder, theft is theft whether 1 dollar or hundreds its still the same

Now, I dont remember, were you for or against it then? According to your opening sentence, you are against it, and have voted so. Murder IS murder, theft IS theft, no matter the amount or victim. If your "Christian" views have taught you that, then they have also taught you that extortion, no matter the venue it takes place in, is also wrong. Otherwise your views arent so much "Christian" as they are "Cafeteria Christian", meaning pick and choose what you want, leave the rest behind.


But on topic, thought I have never had anyone demand anything from me, I know for a fact it has happened several times to a few players. Its wrong, sorry. When this type of activity is allowed to go on, it effects game play at the entry level, which curbs its longevity. I'm not sure how you stop it, the rank modifier wasnt popular to be sure, but its still wrong.

LOL I know this is a game would I do it in real life NO I know how to take this game put it away and live my life I dont add rl situations to the game and let the flow together.

This is getting childish, what was the next thing to say, don't play the game or get massed? I have this to say....

For all those the liken this to real world war and the settlement of it bare in mind that in the aftermath of such things one side either does not exist or is assimilated into the victor. This is either politically, cultural or militarily, as such if we apply this idea to the game why would newer people play? Extortion has played a big part in the growing of some of the bigger alliances, this I know as fact as two members of two different alliances have 30k of my troops each. This occurred back in the day when 2 million was a big army size, plus two of my work colleagues have suffered the same only just recently. Now I don't give a flying rats bum that they have it only that it was allowed to occur and has snowballed into a serious detraction from today's game. Also with my self being a previous Admin of another game and a forum mod of a current game I know several members here have threatened cross server massing if the transfer of resources is not made in one of the game.

Now lets look at a real life situation that this can be more likened to...

One boy in school, part of one of the biggest gangs in the neighborhood, approaches another boy, new at school, and says "give me your lunch money or I will bash you". Victim decides no and gets bashed. The next day same "bully" goes to the same victim and regurgitates the same dialog but brings members of his gang to watch, much more fun with an audience. Victim again says no and not only does he get bashed by the bully but also his by neanderthalic pack minded friends. Victim goes to hospital and never returns to that school so the bullies move on to their next victim. As time goes on, only bullies exist at the school and as such turn on themselves leaving only a few standing.....

What does this mean ingame? That only a few will be left as no one will want to join the game and go off and play others which will result in a negative economic return for the game development. While the game fails, those that have extorted resources from others have been selling them for real world currency. As ingame resources can be exchanged for currency you are by definition breaking the law. It is the same if I extort coffee beans from a coffee plantation. The beans are not currency but can be exchanged for currency.

Extortion has been the death of so many accounts in this game. Although is is done by the few it is this few that have grown over powerful and ruined the game for many others. As for those that deem this game to be free, it is if you don't want any meaningful interaction with others. For crying out load, how many players are selling resources for currency, this game ceased being absolutely free a long time ago.

I read somewhere in this thread where it was stated by someone that Forum will not do anything about it. If that is the case why start this thread? How can it be fixed? Hell why and smack this with a nice big hammer and limit an army size at 30 million, all those over that amount lose what ever they have in addition remove the transfer of resource between accounts. However this puts many people at a disadvantage and I do not suggest this, and before all of one alliance comes down on my head picking this one small section out of my post and quoting how stupid the idea is, read on.

What I do suggest is have an exponential growth modifier, by this I mean the bigger your total army size and your total growth production the less income you receive from your miners. Why? because a bigger population/economy requires a bigger bureaucracy which needs to be paid.

I agree that Forum will be challenged to stamp out such a decedent action as extortion, however actions can be taken to limit its advantages to those that deem it a part of the game. I would also like to add that a majority of the people that seem to think that extortion is a good idea are those same people that have engaged in the act of extortion. Jokes or not, they have profited both in game and through the exchange of those resources into currency. There is an online game where one individual has extorted extreme amounts of ingame resources by declaring his investment bank, bankrupt. He has since been advised by the developers of the game that should he start selling ingame resources on Ebay his game account will cease to exist. Just some food for thought there.

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Rnk limit htis limit farming abilities for strong but not uber players so non of that again. It sucke before it'll be worse now.

Domitius Nero wrote:Rnk limit htis limit farming abilities for strong but not uber players so non of that again. It sucke before it'll be worse now.

Beg your pardon?

Diamond Dust wrote:

Domitius Nero wrote:Rnk limit htis limit farming abilities for strong but not uber players so non of that again. It sucke before it'll be worse now.

Beg your pardon?

Translation: Well, old fellow, I do believe this whole debacle is quite preposterous, surely from the precedent set in our history, you can see that any sort of malicious attacks against stronger players attacking smaller players would result in a situation that none of us want old chap. Well I do declare an old idea that was bad does not become good just because it has been discused. A wolf in a sheep's clothing if you will.

Ryan Uy wrote:"can stop extortion" on the basis of each individual players can have some sense of decency not to resort to such behaviors, if all agree to this then maybe this problem might not exist in the first place or we can lessen this incident

Fat chance.

Sleipnir wrote:

Labraid wrote:The only real measures that I believe can truly effect a limiting of 'extortion' is to do away with in game trading. This is how... the only way for people to get naq, uus, and turns is via the in game market and in game black market. Attacking only allows players to gain naq and uu's at a limited rate, not on a scale that seems to be of concern to the coplaintents(Is that a word?) Without a mechanism to send various resources there would be no way for someone to extort resources from another player, at least not on a grand scale. Hence since a player cannot go along with the 'extortion', then the incentive to due such an act is removed as there is no way, other than attacking and raiding, to gain resources from another player in game. Getting rid of the give naq, uu, and turns buttons and other mechanisms that might allow for players to send resources between accounts is the simplest and easiest fix to eliminate 'extortion'.

*I do hope that is clear, I am extremely tired right now*

Thus we would have to debate is trading resources in game of greater value to the players or is the elimination of 'extortion'.

Actually, there are no give options in ascended. And still people find ways to trade. If they can do that, they can find ways to extort. However, on ascension, there's the ever looming threat of getting your glowy behind descended, so it's best not to make too many enemies. If someone were to get extorted and posted it on the forum, the responsible party is likely to get in serious trouble. There's always a couple of good guys around. I think the best way to keep extortion to respectable levels is to let the public deal with it. They just need a stick that hurts big people more than small.

If you are describing trading on the ascended server as the voluntary removal of defences so that someone can farm you, well that is their decision. They voluntarily pull down their defences. If they do not they may get massed, but it is a game. Next we will have to eliminate massing and only allow one hit on a player per turn. This only creates a spiraling effect within the game that no one has clearly thought through completely, as evidenced by the lack of practicial solutions. My suggestion to fight 'extortion' is the easiest and simplest that the game admins could enact, according to their post asking for solutions that are not just grandious abstract concepts, but simple and thought out. I have thought it out to some point, I have not considered every little aspect this would effect in game however b/c well I am not that smart. However, if 'extortion' is such a huge problem then no one will complain if game admins use the removal of in game trading from the game as a test to see how it fights 'extortion'.

There are always ways around things, game admins elude to this as well. But the removal of ingame trading would not only help the 'extortion' problem, that I see so many complaining about, it will also help with multi accounts. Without the ability to transfer resources directly between accounts, the only option to get resources is to attack people and via the ingame markets. This would also get rid of all the $ for resources that has, in my mind totally weakened that game and caused some major issues previously.

Removal of ingame trading is nice, but considering thats what people pay $ for, I doubt it'll happen.

And it still wont stop extortion.

Just like removal of trading wont stop cheating, tho it'll hamper it slightly.

Nevertheless Sleipnir, there have been numerous vigilante groups...
From Flavar's old Anti-Bullying alliance, to the modern CIA ( )


In SGW we've bigger problems than extortionists: multies, cheaters and the like still are running rampant.
Against extortionists, and bullies, the players can fight back.
You don't like it? Don't think it's honorable? Mass them! Sabb them!
You don't complain to forum to ban the war vultures, you get after them yourselves.

You form an anti-planet thieves alliance, or an anti-bully alliance, or an anti-name alliance, or an anti-alliance alliance...you get up and do something; In the case of extortion, I can't imagine a player run ring would be less effective than Forum, if anything it should be more effective.

Take justice into your own hands… this is a case where you can do something.
I don’t buy that bigger-than-thou argument;
Perhaps I’m biased, perhaps the guy I beat up just didn’t have skill etc. etc. etc.
But when my n00b account came back from the grave and pulped his, I truly felt like I had accomplished something.

Perhaps instead I should have begged the admin to make future farmers give a ten page list of ‘reasons of legitimacy’, before making an attack: personally I found it far more ‘fun’ to get my own justice.

Against, cheats, against multies, call in Forum. Against bullies, extortionists, people you don’t like, names you don’t like, alliances you don’t like; get up and do something about it yourself; or bring some friends.

I personally think that extorting resources from small/er players is morally wrong and pretty low but i dont see how you can stop it apart from a power re-distrubtion within the game that stops one group from being all too powerful to exercise extortion when they like.

I believe this falls under the reasons behind the war thats currently going on atm.

As to enforcing individuals i just dont think its possible but the community can be made aware of unfair actions and the community of which the majority i hope are moralistic players could mete out some justice.

Tyveris wrote:I personally think that extorting resources from small/er players is morally wrong and pretty low but i dont see how you can stop it apart from a power re-distrubtion within the game that stops one group from being all too powerful to exercise extortion when they like.

Plauge at 100mil, fear of plauge at 50mil........ Calls for a server reset..........

In reality, the game is a microcosm of real life.

People are rich, get poweah, and the small guys call for it to be changed so they can be rich too.


Personaly, I think this isnt anything but a community issue.

Just a few days ago I posted about a small alliance attempting to extort a freind of mine with threat of massing if he didnt join their alliance.

Their alliance (and def's.....) no longer exist.


That said, those who are on top of the game should have the class to not extort people for anything.

Labraid wrote:However, if 'extortion' is such a huge problem then no one will complain if game admins use the removal of in game trading from the game as a test to see how it fights 'extortion'.

Without the ability to transfer resources directly between accounts, the only option to get resources is to attack people and via the ingame markets. This would also get rid of all the $ for resources that has, in my mind totally weakened that game and caused some major issues previously.

If that were an option, I'd be right there with you. I've cursed the give option more than once because it lies at the root of many problems in this game. Like multies, quick ascensions and many other things that cannot be fixed because the give option provides a way around them. But like Tok'ra says, people have paid for it and removing it will cause trouble the likes of which SGW has never seen before.

I see so many response being if you dont like it fight back, i think the whole idea of extortion is it happens to the weak players by those far to big to fight against. fighting back inst an option for 80% of those being extorted so unless the members of the big allainces are going to help every weak player then it cant be stopped with admin help. glad to see poll is going the right way

Leave it as it is. I frankly have never done it ---other than to demand reparations but if others choose to do so I say it is part of the game ( as well as real world war and diplomacy extortion ) .

To outlaw the practice is un-enforcable unless new rank modifiers / limits are inserted into the game and in my view that impacts too many facets of the game. Let the game stay in it's current form...to do otherwise is penalizing all for the acts of a few. If someone is abusing weaker players the fact is word gets around and the practice comes back to bite them.