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Very nice Capo, we are having a civil discussion and because I don't agree with you, you become demeaning and insulting. Perhaps YOU shouldn't own a gun, you might do something stupid with it. As for the reason why my FAL is safe? It is simple... because I make it safe. It doesn't do anything I don't want it to. I can load it, flip the safety off and place it in the middle of a kitchen table, and leave it alone for twenty years. In all that time I can assure you that it will not magically rise from the table, and go on a killing spree. The operator needs to be present.

Same concept for any tool, or vehicle. It is not the weapon that is the problem, it is the intent behind its use. My intent is peace, so my weapons will never be used for anything but self-defense. There are people in any society that shouldn't be allowed to own a butter knife, let alone a gun. I am not one of them, so stop trying to restrict me further. I pay taxes, I own an automobile, I vote. If I can't be trusted with a firearm, how can I be trusted to own or do those other things?

Take away the guns so only the Police and Army have them, and you take away the Peoples ability to change their government. People who don't have the right to own arms are serfs and slaves for those that do.

-urban

urban assault wrote:
Same concept for any tool, or vehicle. It is not the weapon that is the problem, it is the intent behind its use. -urban

exactly, a car could have been used to kill 32 people, would we then ban cars?

planes were used we didnt ban them!

I never want to hurt another human being. I have seen much violence in my life, both as being a partner to it when needed, and as a victim. I have had people try to kill me before, and I am lucky to still be here. I have no wish to harm anyone else, ever, BUT... if you decide that you are going to hurt me I will stop you.

I will have sleepless nights, and pain in my heart that you made me kill you, but that was YOUR decision. At the end of the day, I am going to still be walking upon the ground, not buried beneath it. This is what I owe to myself, my wife, and my family. It is my duty to try to survive to the best of my ability to be there for them. There is nothing wrong or heinous about this kind of mind-set. It is called being a survivor.

I never would've wanted to shoot the man with the gun at my club, but he displayed his weapon first with threatening intent. That was his decision, not mine. I only reacted to it. If he would have attempted to escalate the situation by truly drawing his gun, I would have burned him down where he stood. Granted, with remorse, but still with unshakable resolve.

When I am driving and I am armed, I am the politest guy behind the wheel you have ever seen. I will not gesture, or honk, or tailgate, because I know that if the situation goes out of control I have the means to instantly terminate it. I don't ever want to do that, so I will put up with rude jerks who drive aggressively.

I have always been a fervent believer that an armed society, is a polite society. It works that way for me.

-urban

I'm not insulting, Im pointing out discrepencies and obvious flaws with your logic.

Take away the guns so only the Police and Army have them, and you take away the Peoples ability to change their government. People who don't have the right to own arms are serfs and slaves for those that do.

so, people can't change the government without weapons? I thought weapons were safe? They don't have any other purpose than violence, so I don't see how you can change government with them yet remain safe (or did you contradict yourself?)

So, peopel who don't own firearms are slaves to those that do? I don't feel the need to call people who own guns superior to me. Do you know who warren buffet is? He is one of the worlds richest men - and he did it without weapons. Im sure that he isn't a slave to a man with a gun.

If I can't be trusted with a firearm, how can I be trusted to own or do those other things?

Simple. A weapon basicalyl enables anyoen to take human life if they find it necessary. Does voting do that? Does fixing a vehice do that? They are two entirely different matters.

My intent is peace, so my weapons will never be used for anything but self-defense.

Self defence is not peaceful. If you want to be peaceful, then don't own a weapon for self defence. If you own a weapon, don't disgrace the name peace by claiming to be peaceful. Ghandi was peaceful, and he owned no weapons. I happened to notice that most great minds of the past promoted non-violence. Do you know what non-violence is? It means not even having the means to create violence if you wanted to. Thats is peace.

There are people in any society that shouldn't be allowed to own a butter knife, let alone a gun.

Again, you contradict yourself. If you can own a gun, then everyone can. If you really do believe in democracy, then everyone has equal rights.

*Thank you for that saturnine, it is 100% true. A friend of my brothers went to florida, and they were shooting someone in the parking lot because they were black. When I visited texa a couple years ago, I noticed the tension. It's completely different because of the gun culture. I saw an 8 year old showing off her fathers M16. I noticed it was alot more....worriesome. Its like everyone is worried that someone might take their life away (I believe in reincarnation, so death doesn't really bother me). As a side note, never have chicken fried steak. Too much batter, its unbearable.

You guys are both making a lot of sense, you both know a thing or two about a thing or two it seems (you are armed to your teeth with facts)

The one thing you have to realize is you both come from similar, yet different societies.

What works in yours may not work in the other.

You said it yourself capo:
Why?

We have a government stirring trouble in wierdos heads. When a wierdo jumps up to shoot, they blame it on the gun laws. Why did they do it? Because they are threatened by a persons rights to defend against control. It comes with governing a land of loonies I suppose.

Why would a government want to take away a persons ability to defend themselves in situations like Urban's?

I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi..

The canadian government has the right Idea, it is socialism. I honestly don't think it would ever work for America.

Socialist functioning for a government is healthy for a government. It gives that government the idea that it works for its people, not vice versa. Because Canadians built the damn robot on nothing but Rock N Roll to begin with, why shouldnt it serve its master?

The bottom line, your both hitting the nail on the head, but your doing so in your own enviroments..

Thats true sat, different environments function differently. Isnt the same here or there, is it? (this post feels so short after that)

ahhhhh!!!! snapping fingers and blinking cameras!!!

Give me a little pat on the head and I want a scratch on back too!! Im the type of person who likes a lot of cheese with their wine as well.

Now Im drunken with public praise!!
I'm waiving my hand like a kid who knows the answer to all of the teachers questions!! What have you done to me?

Urban mentioned being a bouncer, that line of work needs a firearm. No one has thought of that one yet, huh? Not even the teacher has though of it yet!!

yes..this is kind of off topic.

I put that bouncer in his place, i smashed his elbow with my face.

Soon I have to compare north america with india - the new growing power.

My point is that this all comes down to personal responsibility. I take responsibility for my own defense, I take responsibility for how the weapons I use for that defense are handled. No one is responsible for my actions, or inactions, but myself. I do not make my safety the burden of others, I take that burden upon myself. I am very comfortable with how I live my life, and feel very safe where I live. My life doesn't revolve around guns, but rather they are assets that help me live without fear. If you don't want to own a gun, don't own one, that is perfectly fine with me. But don't attempt to take mine away. That would be the same as passing laws that all people MUST be armed, whether they want to be or not. Both concepts should be repugnant to freedom-loving peoples. I just hope that if you are ever a victim of random violence, someone who is a responsible gun owner like myself will be there to protect you.

-urban

I have to say...I agree with you.

Except for this:

I just hope that if you are ever a victim of random violence, someone who is a responsible gun owner like myself will be there to protect you.

My work as a peacemaker here is done..

Someone cue the Brett Michaels guitar solo, then fade out with a drum roll.

Brett Michaels causes brain tumors...

urban assault wrote:My point is that this all comes down to personal responsibility. I take responsibility for my own defense, I take responsibility for how the weapons I use for that defense are handled. No one is responsible for my actions, or inactions, but myself. I do not make my safety the burden of others, I take that burden upon myself. I am very comfortable with how I live my life, and feel very safe where I live. My life doesn't revolve around guns, but rather they are assets that help me live without fear. If you don't want to own a gun, don't own one, that is perfectly fine with me. But don't attempt to take mine away. That would be the same as passing laws that all people MUST be armed, whether they want to be or not. Both concepts should be repugnant to freedom-loving peoples. I just hope that if you are ever a victim of random violence, someone who is a responsible gun owner like myself will be there to protect you.

-urban

Agree!

That responsibility thing is annoying all liberals, socialists and other ubermenchen. They think (or believe) THEY know better what's good for YOU. This delusion is the reason they take responsibility from you thus turning you into a slave (freedom and responsibility coexist, it can't be any other way).

They take responsibility for your health (public health system), for education (public schools), for your retirement (thanks god we don't have this in Ireland!), for your own safety, for your job, place to live. They tell you what to teach your children, what to say, what to think... Gun control is only one aspect of the process.

Firearms are largely banned in here and 1 person gets shot dead every week (in average).

But at least THEY allowed us to own AEGs.

Capo wrote:If you really do believe in democracy, then everyone has equal rights.

Just curious, but I have always believed it should be writ thusly:
"If you really do believe in democracy, then everyone has equal voice."

The whole point of democracy is to bring power from the few to the many, leading to majority rule - There is still a minority.

In fact, the only system of government that (I can think of atm) that would have a fundamental claim to equality is some kind of radical communism or socialism... but even then, we are quickly lead to the Orwellian cliche "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"… some get to lead, some get to clean the sewers.

Capo wrote:Do you know who warren buffet is? He is one of the worlds richest men - and he did it without weapons. Im sure that he isn't a slave to a man with a gun.

I wouldn't use that as an example. Warren Buffet lives in a society of Law (force backed rules) and Order (imposed by force). If he went out to live in a fictitious anarchist nation, he'd be packing, or his bodyguards’ would.
So no, he didn't have to use weapons... because he (and the rest of the nation) paid taxes so that he shouldn’t have to. (Key on shouldn't, not wouldn't)


We are insulated for the most part from physical force in modern day America. We pay taxes so we don't (shouldn't) have to bludgeon and bribe our way to the top.
Such was not the case in the medieval age, and the 'wild west' (although I use the term with the ten-foot pole of cliché)... it was certainly not the case back during the American revolution, or during the reconstruction following the civil war.

Just because we do have the normal level of insulation, does not mean we can hand the keys to the government - for Even during modern days, that insulation breaks down (Take the 1992 LA riots). At such times... yes, you are at the mercy of the guy with the most force.

Capo wrote:Brett Michaels causes brain tumors...

I know.

Im giving birth to my third right now.

"Barflies, please check your children at grandmas front door."

reprinted in verbatim from a poison poster.

Is that rockin or what?

I want to grab a fistful of glitter and punch myself right in the oversized mullet.... To Pop a tumor or two.