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Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:05 pm
by Legendary Apophis
Tal_Rasha wrote:This thread only shows how media influence ppl. Americans suuport american gov and believe that those were terrorist attacks...
Non americans have a different and neutral stance and are willing to believe (we all only believe, noone knows exactly what happened there) that this might not be as it was presented in media...
BTW: I ran through the thread and would like to add this:
- Bush doesnt have to be behind 9/11. He definitely is not clever enough to do so. Noone is. If its some1 from US, than it has to be some1 working incognito (ppl from CIA e.g.)...
- Killing some1 that says that this is a conspiracy only proves his words...
- You will never get to know the truth - noone dares to tell you, it might lead to sth bigger and worse than killing of 3000 innocent peole (may they rest in peace)...thats diplomacy and politics (war is follow-up of the policy, in a different way OfC), policy is not moral, so it doesnt mean that its always about speaking the truth...
And there are some Qs without As in this thread:
- How come there are more and more theories about 9/11 attacks emerging? If it was simply som sick-minded bull worked out by some bunch of school kids, it woudlnt survive that long...
- Why did US really entered Iraq? WMD were not the reason (only a "decoy")
- Are all the ppl that are after Osama totally lame? Its almost 6 years and they didnt manage to catch him? Where the hell is he? On Mars?
Couldn't agree more...
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:09 pm
by Angnoch
Angnoch wrote: Not all Americans support the government but do you honestly believe that this was NOT a terrorist attack, by definition a terrorist attack is made to simply cause terror not gain political clout because it is the weakest form of persuasion by arguing about this we are giving terrorists exactly what they want we are spreading false information and propagating lies causing more fear
since when do non-americans have a neutral stance? Everyone no matter where they are has a biased stance and arguing otherwise is completely ridiculous, for example I could say that the French are cowards because of their actions in WWII they just let a certain German-leader-whose-name-I-cannot-post-on-the-forums walk in and take over completely ignoring the fact that if they had attempted it all of France would have burned and the fact that they fought underground and ignoring all that would be the same thing you are doing by ignoring the facts of 9/11
Bush is most assuredly one of the more intelligent leaders in the world he is just a terrible public speaker and what would America stand to gain by causing this? 3k dead American civilians even more over in Iraq and Afghanistan?
how does this proove anyones words and who was killed?
politics has never been about morals and truth telling and war is a fact of human existence as long as we remain ignorant of other people we will war nothing will change that until people can accept others without question
First Amendment rights allow freedom of speech, right to protest etc.... therefore it would be unconstitutional to remove his theory no one ever removed any of the Kennedy conspiracy theories this one is no different
Plain and simple the US entered Iraq to oust Saddam and free the Iraqi people who had been oppressed for generations I am not saying this was a smart move or a stupid move just stating that is the truth to the best of my knowledge now I agree talk about WMDs although believable at first MOST OF THE UN BELIEVED IRAQ HAD WMDs was wrong to have that be the main reason we were going in although ignoring UN sanctions is against the "rules" America just happens to be one of the only countries able to enforce those "rules"
If we knew where he was then he would have been caught but my belief and I stress my belief is that he is in Pakistan hidden in the mountains near the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan
my responses are bolded
if you want a conspiracy to talk about talk about a shooter on the grassy knoll 9/11 is a certified terrorist attack against INNOCENT PEOPLE
I hate having to quote myself but in this case Pops read the bolded text I deleted the questions because you didnt seem to notice them with the questions in front of them but my responses are still there
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:07 pm
by papa~smurf
I'm old well old to the standards of most people i find on this game. In my years on the planet i have found this to be true......the more worrisome the times, the more dire the situations across the globe, the more people will look for dark and sinister forces behind things. be it the grassy knoll, the Knights Templar, illuminati or the twin towers, it is so mush easier to look beyond the real fears and hatreds that face us. I once believed the US government was capable of real covert actions, fooling the population to such a degree that we where lemurs to the hill. Then with the iraq war i realize how lame they where, i mean, if the government could fake a terrorist attack, how hard would it have been to find those wmd's, even if they put them there in the first place. You give them waay way to mush power.
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:34 pm
by Nicholai Brocov
I won't dispute or discuss the science of it all, because no one here is qualified to do so.
I am also done debating, it was fun at first to shoot down your arguements but now I don't care that you don't care. As I take my leave of the thread whether it gets modded or not (probably and with just reason I hope) I'll just share some videos.
I don't care if you watch them, I don't care if you think it's offensive.
WTC: 1,2 & 7 Defy The Law Conservation of Momentum?Horizontal Ejections?We Had No Idea!Only In America Can You Make $7,000,000,000 In One Day.Who Benefited?Could You Repeat That Again Mr. President? (2:20-2:50) [Dispite what I did say, that I don't care. Out of courtesy I will not post this video because I know It will be removed for sure, but only because of content after the stated time stamps. PM if curious.]
I still don't think these videos belong on here so I'm actually hoping they get removed from these forums. Bye.
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:49 am
by The Xeno
Nicholai Brocov wrote:I am also done debating, it was fun at first to shoot down your arguements but now I don't care that you don't care.
I find it interesting, that the only argument (of mine at least) that you challenged, was one not directed at you. The suggestions and counters I posted that fit with what you asked, received no reply - that is what I would call dodging.
I don't have time atm to look at the videos, I'll be back and watch them, and post my thoughts.
If others find them offensive please use the alert feature.I won't dispute or discuss the science of it all, because no one here is qualified to do so.
If we are qualified enough to interpret the facts presented by the scientists - then we are qualified enough to give our amateur opinions. Because really; for every scientist you bring up, there is another one out there with an opposing theory - at which point we will find out whether or not you are qualified to dismiss mine as biased.
Far better to leave it in the hands of amateurs with the search button - at worst we learn a great deal about fields not in our expertise.
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:44 am
by Legendary Apophis
Nicholai Brocov wrote:I won't dispute or discuss the science of it all, because no one here is qualified to do so.
I am also done debating, it was fun at first to shoot down your arguements but now I don't care that you don't care. As I take my leave of the thread whether it gets modded or not (probably and with just reason I hope) I'll just share some videos.
I don't care if you watch them, I don't care if you think it's offensive.
WTC: 1,2 & 7 Defy The Law Conservation of Momentum?Horizontal Ejections?We Had No Idea!Only In America Can You Make $7,000,000,000 In One Day.Who Benefited?Could You Repeat That Again Mr. President? (2:20-2:50) [Dispite what I did say, that I don't care. Out of courtesy I will not post this video because I know It will be removed for sure, but only because of content after the stated time stamps. PM if curious.]
I still don't think these videos belong on here so I'm actually hoping they get removed from these forums. Bye.
Can you pm me please the link to the video?
Only In America Can You Make $7,000,000,000 In One Day.The end of this video is VERY interesting, rest is also of course, but end...that makes boom all arguments of pro governement people!!! I, like apparently many people didn't even know there was a WTC 7 who collapsed, why? Because there was possibilites to hide it from public, as maybe most of people (I hope so) from building were told to leave it...so there would be no victims, so no manifestations, families searching their passed away members etc...so easier to keep it hidden.
Last one is very interesting too, shows that those who said oil companies wouldn't benefit from that are 100% wrong
Re: Most strange thing ever???
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:33 pm
by Tal_Rasha
Nicholai Brocov wrote:I won't dispute or discuss the science of it all, because no one here is qualified to do so.
And I will not discuss at all...like I said before: noone here will ever know the truth. It took 50 years for CIA to uncover the facts of Kennedys murder (the files were confidental, agents coudlnt support the media with info, even if they wanted to, it would be against the law and against the state, de facto a treason), killing of 3000 people means much more than that (although it was a President himself), so this will "remain under the ruins of WTC"...
And sooner or later - this debate will get pointles (interesting-maybe, pointless-for sure), as there will always be two sides arguing about sth, they are not 100 % informed of...