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Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:24 am
by Lore
Judochop wrote:Semantics as smoosh said... Really this is all about percieved things not specifically stated. Blahh, I thank you for posting, Sva confused me the entire topic, but you made it more concise.
NAP's have certain implied things, while not printed directly, they have aspects which are just taken. Most people would not sell to an allies enemy, I wouldn't based on certain things, which i won't go into.
Trading is almost a 100% wholly protected right players have. Trading is adherently a balancing act, you trade one resource for another, limiting you in one area, and stimulating another. In this situation, they would be weakening themselves in main(one can argue the important server) and getting better ascended accounts. While rebuilding from a lose on main is hard, ascended depending on CER, can only take days. So really are they helping themselves? Or are they making themselves weaker in the server that has the most sway in wars?
How I see it, in wars... ascended is like icing, as main is the cake. Main server really makes or breaks an alliance. Depending on massing skill, you can put players back months. Ascended is just that little part that makes it all better, like remembering a particular sexual encounter after the actual deed, it justs makes you feel all warm inside.
Main determines the victor, ascended determines the amount of posterior that was handed to the loser.
I figured out something, something that changes things for me personally.
NAP = non agression pact = i leave you alone, you leave me alone
FMA = full military assistance = friends
See to me a NAPed alliance is not a friend,,, yes it means there is a potential friendship but it is not set in stone.
As for trading, NAPed alliance do not bear on my trading practices,, But someone warring against an alliance I have a FMA with, will not be traded with until the war has ended.
Thats the difference to me, and thats how I veiw things myself.
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:29 am
by goodie
Lore wrote:Personally I find it funny that when Omega did this exact same thing the entire forum became enraged about it, shortly afterwards was the CIA VS COP war were CIA was trying to "Change" the game. Now you use the same tactics Omega used and now its ok?
I wonder where all the Lynch mods with torches and pitchforks have gone? LOL
Want me to rename my MS pitchfork when i go massing?
REK wrote:we agreed to those terms?
interesting....
Dont you love it when TLE kindly forget those important memos? Like the one were we were going to attack them?
-Goodie
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:39 am
by Lore
How about "Noose" I think Jedi went for pickfork, and I got torches already LOL
j/k
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:00 am
by goodie
Lore wrote:How about "Noose" I think Jedi went for pickfork, and I got torches already LOL
j/k
being honest, noose sound good. >.>
*goes to change the name*
If only it was a super powerfull MS.
-Goodie
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:35 am
by Shornaal
SVaRuN wrote:Yes...but can you...
Mod please lock it...
Can I???
No you Mean can TJ/AE/TJ and im sure they will do what they want, how they what, when they want.
NAP = non agression pact = i leave you alone, you leave me alone
FMA = full military assistance = friends
See to me a NAPed alliance is not a friend,,, yes it means there is a potential friendship but it is not set in stone.
Very well said Lore.
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:04 pm
by Neimenljivi
Lore wrote:Personally I find it funny that when Omega did this exact same thing the entire forum became enraged about it, shortly afterwards was the CIA VS COP war were CIA was trying to "Change" the game. Now you use the same tactics Omega used and now its ok?
I wonder where all the Lynch mods with torches and pitchforks have gone? LOL
Indeed Lore...I was in CIA and hated these tactics before and am hating them and will hate them...many more people hated these tactics, but I guess what people say, that money and power changes people, couldn't be more accurate...
Be who you are, stay what you are, don't become what you hated the most and what u fought against
~N
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:29 pm
by PUNISHER
Lore wrote:Personally I find it funny that when Omega did this exact same thing the entire forum became enraged about it, shortly afterwards was the CIA VS COP war were CIA was trying to "Change" the game. Now you use the same tactics Omega used and now its ok?
I wonder where all the Lynch mods with torches and pitchforks have gone? LOL
They joined TLE!
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:31 pm
by Myseri
How would they be SUPPLYING the enemy? The only way you can trade and SUPPLY the enemy is a few different kind:
1) You sell supplies to the enemy at a discount rate. You then sell those same supplies to your mate for a more exspensive rate. this is basically supplying them as they can buy more for a cheaper price.
2) Along the lines of 1, you charge your mates more then you would the enemy. Say you are selling UU, you charge TLE 700 m / k UU and AE 650 m / k UU. That is once again, supplying the enemy.
3) Refusing to sell something to your ally but instead sell it to the enemy. Say Blahh is in dire need of AT and you have some for sale. But you don't sell them to Blahh, you sell them to Goodie because you like him more. That is also basically supplying the enemy.
The basic of giving the enemy UU/AT/Naq for free is also supplying as they are given an unfair boost. Only if you gave the same resources to your allies it not be considered unfair.
Final Note: SVARUN, a lot of your posts have been quite good that I have read. This one is just unreal. I mean the TL alliance said during the CoP vs CiA war that they would not become like that which they were attacking. But guess what, you basically have. You mass random people. You mass someone who is annoying you instead of talking to them. You try to create TRADE EMBARGOs (which I might add is what this thread is about) which Omega did during the CoP vs CiA war. So you have basically become that which you defeated...
Power Corrupts...
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:21 am
by Tekki
goodie wrote:Lore wrote:How about "Noose" I think Jedi went for pickfork, and I got torches already LOL
j/k
being honest, noose sound good. >.>
*goes to change the name*
If only it was a super powerfull MS.
-Goodie
Darn it! I wanna change my MS name as well!
Pitchfork is taken, Noose is taken, torch is taken!
And poking thingee doesn't have the same ring!
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:12 am
by RepliJake
And just on a fianl note, I've sold to our enemies during war, including attack turns.
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:43 am
by Juliette
Myseri wrote:<very articulate post about supplying etcetera..>
Final Note: SVARUN, a lot of your posts have been quite good that I have read. This one is just unreal. I mean the TL alliance said during the CoP vs CiA war that they would not become like that which they were attacking. But guess what, you basically have. You mass random people. You mass someone who is annoying you instead of talking to them. You try to create TRADE EMBARGOs (which I might add is what this thread is about) which Omega did during the CoP vs CiA war. So you have basically become that which you defeated...
Power Corrupts...
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...
I'm not too sure it takes absolute power to be absolutely corrupted.. or does TLE actually have absolute power without me knowing?
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:33 am
by Mystake
General Pain I wrote:And just on a fianl note, I've sold to our enemies during war, including attack turns.
LOL
Re: Selling DMU to AE/SN/TJ
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:54 am
by Nox
SVaRuN wrote:Yes...but can you...
Mod please lock it...
locked at request