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Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:07 am
by Raven
reborn wrote:Raven wrote:
Who says i was talking about you......i was talking about all the people who didnt even put 1 200k ascension into it.....dont be narrow minded and take everything i say personal.....And catching up in 1 month? who are you fooling because thats just total BS.....
Not to mention that you cant be caught with a 200k UP ascension......if you will be caught it will be by ascension bigger then you did so that is fair in my eyes......not in yours ofcourse.....what is it? people should do 10x what you did to be on the same lvl......
@Mojo .... If someone is able to put correct numbers here how much it would take to get top 10 stats it will be easy to see wether its to much or not.....not just guesses we need very accurate numbers
clearly u havent done the sums or just maybe u cant doesnt really matter i have, and no im not saying ppl shouldnt chach up if they do a bigger ascension than what i did they should chach up some, but not the the point of were ive done big ascensions for 2 yrs and been working on my lvl for 2 yrs, for someone to do the same as my last ascension and get more lvls than what i did, clearly u r cing it one way and dont want to c it another way, because now only after 2 yrs u have discided oh i feel like playing ascension, but want to have more lvls than anyone and that inclueds the huge accounts for just one ascension, yes u r going to say we will still have more planets though, we rightly so we played it for 2 yrs u didnt.
and just so u know the costs of my lvls it costs me over 7 tri per lvl to buy and im not even at the cap, but with one ascension every lvl could b maxed out with the new prices, and i havent spent just a little on lvls ive spent a lot around 910 tri on lvls in the last 7 days which only got me around 130 lvls, at the new price i could have maxed everything and still had about 850 tri to spend, and ive only spent that kind of dmu because it was not just my income it was a few ppl income all going to me
Again i wasnt even talking about you or people who did your kind of ascension i was talking about the group after that who didnt do those big ascensions......they cant complain being catched by someone with bigger ascensions......
And the top 10 who did some big ascensions really dont have to whine so much......you still be infront unless someone really pulls out a couple very big ascensions [more then they did so fair in my eyes]
Ascension should be based for a good part on ascensions made instead of time what it is now.....
If the big guys want to keep ahead like they were they gonna have to reascend also ......
Everyone will have the same option as everyone whoes gonna do huge ascensions......the reward they got for the time they spent is a very large headstart and some of them getting more back then they initially spent with selling DMU.....
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:20 am
by xtreme192
PSICOLIX wrote:xtreme192 wrote:they started out at 498mill more and after day 6 are 680mill more.
yep, BUT that 680 Mill will be NOTHING, its like you have 1,958,456,875,124(1,9 Trill) MOre main naq than me, i woude say, BIG deal, that 4 days my income. after a few Months MOJO will Say to me, I have 1 Bill more units than you, and i will reply, BIG deal. thats nothing, 5 Days my UP...
if you don't got where this can go, i'm sorry, but i can see chaos in the future.
no i do get that reasoning, and i thank you for explaining it as throughly as u have. just instinctivly i dont realy agree with you, why? im not sure, maybe im not sure because its 3am and my brain is tired... or maybe that is the reason i dont agree with u. anyway i will give what u have said more thought and maybe tomorrow comment on my reasoning. again thanx for putting forward your case on this
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:49 am
by Lord_Zeus
Hey forum when you update this, can you also do something that puts everyone reserves to max? Otherwise some people could be descended very easily (with 1 hit of 100 turns I think)
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:27 am
by GeneralChaos
Whats going on with the Power Up levels (forum) are these going to be the new prices or is this only for the dev server for testing, i strongly feel the prices of the power up levels should be left at what they currently are on the ascended server, these new prices make it laughable, and to easy.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:37 am
by RobinInDaHood
GeneralChaos wrote:Whats going on with the Power Up levels (forum) are these going to be the new prices or is this only for the dev server for testing, i strongly feel the prices of the power up levels should be left at what they currently are on the ascended server, these new prices make it laughable, and to easy.
Even though I would benefit significantly on ascended from cheaper levels, I have to agree. It would almost make ascension too easy and too cheap to advance too fast.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:08 am
by Mato
GeneralChaos wrote:Whats going on with the Power Up levels (forum) are these going to be the new prices or is this only for the dev server for testing, i strongly feel the prices of the power up levels should be left at what they currently are on the ascended server, these new prices make it laughable, and to easy.
Who cares if its too easy ... it is the only way to decrease the gap between majority and those 100mil+ guys. Cause face it main server is active because anyone can reach 75 mil (if a player has a time and will to raid). Even if he/she is being sat on can grow. But here, if a group of players decide they can be keep you under 100k planets. And thats just sad and wrong.
PS: Top players can ascend again and improve their accounts. The question is are they willing to do it.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:15 am
by Corsair
xtreme192 wrote:the large players will still continue to be large, and growing larger, they just wont have the monstorous growth compared to others. and i think its that point im having the most trouble with on your side of the argument argument
I think I have worked out why some of the big guys are so upset. Let me paint a picture of a possible reason.
Theres this guy ascended early got a really good lead in ascension through various methods. Now this player is now so big that he then finds it in his heart to help the other members of his alliance and coalition by sending them either planets and/or DMU more likely DMU so that they can then purchase their power levels and so forth. These then grow and subsequently do the same for the smaller members of their alliances. Now these players they have been supplying have reached ranks 10-100 and are doing well. Now all of a sudden an update is proposed that would mean that the purchasing of these power levels would cost less DMU and that everyone else would be able to equal his alliance and now ex-coalition members meaning that all the DMU he has been supplying has been for nothing and is a little upset about it.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:32 pm
by reborn
Raven wrote:
If the big guys want to keep ahead like they were they gonna have to reascend also ......
Everyone will have the same option as everyone whoes gonna do huge ascensions......the reward they got for the time they spent is a very large headstart and some of them getting more back then they initially spent with selling DMU.....
and there u have it again, we should have done 6 crap ascension like u and 90% of the rest that ascended and then whined about the ones that infact done big ascensions put time in, tried others to get and play it, because at the end we want the quick way
now look at it this way and if this does go threw i will push as hard as i can for this and c how everyone like it ,as it well only b fair as its the same thing thats being done to ascension, my guess is none
Main to b change
anyone under covert lvl 32 the cost was around 12 tri naq, should now become 133 bil just like lvl 31 was around 6 tri now that should become 66 bil and so on, but covert lvl 33 to cost 250 tri naq
now for u,p anyone wanting to goto 120k raw u,p it would cost them 12 tri naq, now this should become 133 bil everything over 120k each upgrade to cost 3 bil
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:37 pm
by Raven
reborn wrote:Raven wrote:
If the big guys want to keep ahead like they were they gonna have to reascend also ......
Everyone will have the same option as everyone whoes gonna do huge ascensions......the reward they got for the time they spent is a very large headstart and some of them getting more back then they initially spent with selling DMU.....
and there u have it again, we should have done 6 crap ascension like u and 90% of the rest that ascended and then whined about the ones that infact done big ascensions put time in, tried others to get and play it, because at the end we want the quick way
now look at it this way and if this does go threw i will push as hard as i can for this and c how everyone like it ,as it well only b fair as its the same thing thats being done to ascension, my guess is none
Main to b change
anyone under covert lvl 32 the cost was around 12 tri naq, should now become 133 bil just like lvl 31 was around 6 tri now that should become 66 bil and so on, but covert lvl 33 to cost 250 tri naq
now for u,p anyone wanting to goto 120k raw u,p it would cost them 12 tri naq, now this should become 133 bil everything over 120k each upgrade to cost 3 bil
Why would something like that be needed?
And even if it came in 2 weeks we would have top spy lvls again same what will happen in Asc
Top guys will get a serious boost while probably buying numerous lvls per day till they hit the limit when it will be alittle slower
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:03 pm
by Saber
I just think that if all of these updates come in you might as well just rename this server Chaos because it will become just like it with people having huge armysizes.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:22 pm
by Mojo Rising
@ Corsair (and anyone else who thinks that cheaper levels are a good idea),
If cheaper levels are instituted along with everything else, within a week of the update hitting, EVERY member of DD in ascension will be making 13 million planets a day and be at max levels in everything. That's 117 people who will have 2000 turns and be bored out of their minds because the levels beyond the max increase exponentially so all they will have to do is pick on the smaller accounts (that's you guys). Still think cheaper levels are good? If so, bring it on. I will gladly use some turns to disintegrate defenses, assassins, and covert planets on a daily basis. Now multiply that by 117. Have a nice day!
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:23 pm
by reborn
Raven wrote:
Why would something like that be needed?
And even if it came in 2 weeks we would have top spy lvls again same what will happen in Asc
Top guys will get a serious boost while probably buying numerous lvls per day till they hit the limit when it will be alittle slower
y because thats the thing thing as ascension u r saying u want, and we will all have top spy lvls?, what one or 2 more because wehn u can save 250 tri in 2 weeks give me a shout i really would like to know how thats done
and as for the other with the cost of the lvls, its not numerous lvls per day, its i could max them all in ONE day, but cing as ive spent well over 7k tri more on lvls than most others i can c y others want to pay the much lower price, just like i wouldlike to c everyone on main below 120k u,p play a much lower price aswell as covert lvs and defences on planets and planet upgrades and the costs of weapons till u hit a certain amount of weapons, seems fair if your going to make it were its unfair for ppl that have payied a lot on there lvls for that just to mean nothing might as well do it on both severs as they r meant to b linked
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:40 pm
by Corsair
Mojo Rising wrote:@ Corsair (and anyone else who thinks that cheaper levels are a good idea),
If cheaper levels are instituted along with everything else, within a week of the update hitting, EVERY member of DD in ascension will be making 13 million planets a day and be at max levels in everything. That's 117 people who will have 2000 turns and be bored out of their minds because the levels beyond the max increase exponentially so all they will have to do is pick on the smaller accounts (that's you guys). Still think cheaper levels are good? If so, bring it on.
So according to what you have just said they already are earning a fair amount of DMU/LF so whats the difference whether they have higher levels, then now. With them being cheaper we will all go up together. so there will be no real changeMojo Rising wrote:I will gladly use some turns to disintegrate defenses, assassins, and covert planets on a daily basis. Now multiply that by 117. Have a nice day!
you already are so again what would be the difference be
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:50 pm
by Mojo Rising
Corsair wrote:Mojo Rising wrote:@ Corsair (and anyone else who thinks that cheaper levels are a good idea),
If cheaper levels are instituted along with everything else, within a week of the update hitting, EVERY member of DD in ascension will be making 13 million planets a day and be at max levels in everything. That's 117 people who will have 2000 turns and be bored out of their minds because the levels beyond the max increase exponentially so all they will have to do is pick on the smaller accounts (that's you guys). Still think cheaper levels are good? If so, bring it on.
So according to what you have just said they already are earning a fair amount of DMU/LF so whats the difference whether they have higher levels, then now. With them being cheaper we will all go up together. so there will be no real changeMojo Rising wrote:I will gladly use some turns to disintegrate defenses, assassins, and covert planets on a daily basis. Now multiply that by 117. Have a nice day!
you already are so again what would be the difference be
Really? Corsair, I would love you to show the attack logs on your account of the number of times I have attacked you in, oh say, the past six months. The past year? I challenge anyone on the server who is currently NOT involved in a dispute with DD to show their attack logs and we shall see what "persecution" DD has wrought. Corsair, before you post again, I would seriously consider the ramifications of what you are seeking. And please do not talk out of your fourth point of contact again. Have a nice day.
Re: changes to ascension
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:54 pm
by Mojo Rising
Corsair wrote:Mojo Rising wrote:@ Corsair (and anyone else who thinks that cheaper levels are a good idea),
If cheaper levels are instituted along with everything else, within a week of the update hitting, EVERY member of DD in ascension will be making 13 million planets a day and be at max levels in everything. That's 117 people who will have 2000 turns and be bored out of their minds because the levels beyond the max increase exponentially so all they will have to do is pick on the smaller accounts (that's you guys). Still think cheaper levels are good? If so, bring it on.
So according to what you have just said they already are earning a fair amount of DMU/LF so whats the difference whether they have higher levels, then now. With them being cheaper we will all go up together. so there will be no real changeMojo Rising wrote:I will gladly use some turns to disintegrate defenses, assassins, and covert planets on a daily basis. Now multiply that by 117. Have a nice day!
you already are so again what would be the difference be
And, just so we are clear, no. No members of DD are currently being assisted by me. However, should the levels become cheaper, I will be able to sort out my entire alliance with max levels and 60K fleets within a week. So put that in your pipe and smoke it! Of course, with your head in its current anatomic location, it is going to be hard to smoke that pipe. But have a nice day nonetheless.