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Jack wrote:I find it funny how the first part of the first link is about pot, and I just woke up from a dream in which my brother was smoking in my room which my sister sent him.


The linked videos are dripping in ignorance, and your addressing them as fact, and irrefutable proof of anything outside of the fact that there are idiots everywhere, is appalling. It only serves to take what little credibility you have left after this charade(every post prior to this last one), and throws it out the window.

Jack wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Jack wrote:I find it funny how the first part of the first link is about pot, and I just woke up from a dream in which my brother was smoking in my room which my sister sent him.


The linked videos are dripping in ignorance, and your addressing them as fact, and irrefutable proof of anything outside of the fact that there are idiots everywhere, is appalling. It only serves to take what little credibility you have left after this charade(every post prior to this last one), and throws it out the window.

jack, i was referring to the article i posted about the empire state building having been hit by a plane. without going back 2 pages and checking i believe corran was trying to say that no building had ever been hit by a plane till now so no one has a frame of reference with concern to the twin towers collapse, which i proved was incorrect and provided the proof.

None of that has anything to do with religion! And the Empire State Building was hit(accidentally) by a B-52 Mitchell Bomber during WWII July 28th, 1945 to be exact.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:1st) could a plane bring down a building? i dont think so...

"Elevator World
3/01/96
July 28, 1945 - Plane Hits Building - Woman Survives 75-Story Fall
By William Roberts

NEW YORK Lost amid the hoopla surrounding the celebrations of the end of World War II has been the 50th anniversary of the army plane crash into the Empire State Building. Many do not know of the tragic incident of July 28, 1945 -- the day a B-25 bomber, lost in fog, rammed into what was then the world's tallest building. Fewer, still, remember the miraculous survival of the woman who fell 75 stories when the cables to her elevator were severed.

Lieutenant Colonel William F. Smith, Jr., a decorated veteran of 100 combat missions, was piloting the bomber from his home in Bedford, Massachusetts to Newark, New Jersey to pick up his commanding officer, before returning to home base in South Dakota. The flight plan called for Smith to land at LaGuardia Airport. A dense fog over the city led the air traffic controller to direct that a landing be made. Smith, however, apparently believing he could maneuver safely through the fog, asked and received permission to fly on to Newark -- on the other side of Manhattan from LaGuardia. The last thing the air traffic controller told Smith was, 'At the present time, I can't see the top of the Empire State Building.'

The War Department, now a section of the Defense Department, later determined the pilot erred in judgment when electing to fly over Manhattan in the weather conditions which prevailed at the time' -- Smith should never have been cleared to proceed on to Newark. Disoriented by the dense fog, he apparently believed he was on Manhattan's west side.

Smith's final blunder came when he passed the Chrysler Building. Had he kicked the left rudder, he would have been safe; instead, he went right rudder and directly on a path to the Empire State Building. At 200 miles per hour, the unarmed trainer bomber screamed down 42nd Street and banked south over 5th Avenue. The pilot tried desperately to climb, but it was too late. At 9:40 that Saturday morning, the B-25 slammed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building.

Luckily, the accident occurred on a weekend, with only about 1,500 people in the building -- compared with the 10,000-15,000 on an average weekday. Still, 14 died in the accident -- 11 in the building, plus Colonel Smith and the other two occupants of the plane. Hardest hit was the Catholic War Relief Office on the 79th floor, directly in the path of the bomber. Eight relief office workers were killed.

Extensive Damage Reported

Damage to the building and the surrounding area was extensive. An 18-by-20 foot hole was gouged by the B-25, and one of the plane's engines plowed through the building, emerging on the 33rd Street side and crashing through the roof of a neighboring building. Upon impact, windows shattered, and glass fell to the street. When the bomber hit, its fuel tanks exploded, sending flames racing across the 79th floor in all directions. According to Althea S. Lethbridge, a secretary for a trading company on the 72nd floor, 'Everything shook. (At the window), we saw flames below and above us. It was scary; we didn't know how fireproof the building was.'

Lethbridge and those not severely injured had to walk 70 flights down the darkened stairwell. Many reported seeing flaming debris fall down the elevator shafts. Unaware that the plane's other engine and part of its landing gear had fallen through the elevator shaft, rescue workers used elevators to transport casualties.

Unbeknownst to rescuers, when the hoist and governor cables of one of the elevators had been severed, ropes to other cars had been weakened. Nevertheless, the elevators had to be used to transport those severely injured, including Betty Lou Oliver. As the plane hit, Oliver, an elevator operator, was blown out of her post on the 80th floor and badly burned. After receiving first aid, she was put in another car to go down to an ambulance. As the elevator doors closed, rescue workers heard what sounded like a gunshot but what was, in fact, the snapping of elevator cables weakened by the crash. The car with Oliver inside, now at the 75th floor, plunged to the sub-basement, a fall of over 1,000 feet. Rescuers had to cut a hole in the car to get to the badly injured elevator operator.

Despite a harrowing experience, Oliver survived, due in large part to the elevator safety devices which served their function, though perhaps not as envisioned. The elevator car safety could not set because the governor cable had been severed by the plane's impact. Therefore, other factors contributed to slowing the elevator and 'cushioning' its fall. As the elevator fell, the compensating cables, hanging from beneath the car, piled up in the pit and acted as a coiled spring, slowing the elevator. Also, the hatchway was of a 'high-pressure' design, with minimum clearance around the car. In such a small space, the air was compressed under the falling elevator. With such a tight fit of the car in the hatchway, the trapped air created an air cushion in the lower portion of the shaft -- thereby further slowing the elevator car and allowing its occupant to survive.

Though this accident can certainly be noted as a tragedy, some comfort can be found; the loss of life was certainly not as great as it could have been. Had it occurred on a weekday, the accident would have claimed many more casualties. If the plane had been a fully armed B-25 bomber instead of a trainer, the destruction and devastation could have been catastrophic. In addition, had the elevator been installed improperly or had its safety devices been of poor quality -- even though they may not have worked exactly as envisioned, they still performed their duty by saving a human life -- Ms. Oliver could not have fallen 1,000 feet in an elevator and lived to tell about it. "

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i would like to ask all Americans how they would feel if i was to ask to blow my nose on the US constitution and just how long my face would stay intact if i was to make such a request on US soil??

weilandsmith wrote:You may be right. Bush may be diabolical. Even so, he doesn't have enough time to make a power grab unless he secretly triggers an operation that will cause mass death and destruction in the US right before elections happen.

Still, there really is no proof. He says, she says doesn't work as proof. The courts of justice, in proving innocence or guilt, will not accept eye witness testimony unless it is backed by forensic or factual proof. He says, she says is not factual.

But you are right about most Central Banks and the Federal Reserve as being private institutions. The Federal Reserve was an idea in the early 20th century that was bitterly opposed by FDR. Eventually, the Federal Reserve won out with the support of JP Morgan and the Chase Manhattan Bank of the Rockefellers.

The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank are also ideas from the the JP Morgan-Rockefeller group. Point in fact, the land on which the United Nations HQ sits on belonged to the Rockefellers before they donated it to the UN. Both Morgan and Rockefeller have partner banks in the UK. I forget the name.

Anyway, the hand of international banking is clearly visible in shaping international policy.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:the reason why most of you cannot comprehend what we say to you as being true is because you have been conditioned to accept the status quo but when the status quo changes what happens? you scream for justice and whether it comes or not is besides the point because after a time you go back to being comfortable in your status quo and the tiny and ever shrinking world you live in, like the moth to the flame you get suckered in time and time again and each time you return to your box its that much smaller....

MY GOD PEOPLE, 3K MEN WOMAN AND CHILDREN HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES,TO SAY NOTHING OF THE COUNTLESS MILLIONS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED, NAY....HAVE BEEN MURDERED SINCE 9/11. BUSH OR BIN LADEN, SADDAM OR AL QAEDA IS IRRELEVANT, WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THE COMPLETE AND UTTER MISMANAGEMENT OF THE BRITISH AND AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS AND THE ARM FORCES OF OUR RESPECTIVE COUNTIES. THAT IN ITSELF DEMANDS JUSTICE AND ACTION TO BRING THOSE RESPONSIBLE TO JUSTICE, SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, WILL YOU OR WILL YOU NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THIS?????

some more food for thought about how you are conditioned to just say "what can i do about it?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBMjbaFl4E

[KMA]Avenger wrote:well the death toll is higher than 4k when you take into account that 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Bali and the other so called terrorist attacks where all committed by the same group.

9/11 is the one that stands out and the rest are just to scare people into thinking its terrorists.

truth be told, our leaders are not our countrymen, they DO NOT swear allegiance to any flag and when you understand this you then begin to understand why the english speaking country's bend over backwards top flood the streets with non-english speaking country's and why solidarity amongst the indigenous population is crumbling so fast.