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You need to stop lumping people together "dumb Americans", "crass Europeans". I still think my claim that UROGARD has never studied anything outside of high school lvl material is correct. Maybe my remarks will encourage researching his ideas more carefully. Since i'm not American, i take no offense to his comments....

this thread should really die though

The OP asked; are terrorists real?

The answer is obviously yes

The debate now about the united states and great Britain governments being oppressive or not.
I will concede that they can be but their populous' enjoy a degree of freedom on such a scale that is unprecedented in history.

Agreed, a new Topic should be created if the debate is going to get off-topic like this. Either debate the existence of Terrorists or don't post at all (I include myself, I was off topic also...)

And Avenger, I didn't read your post after started talking about the "Kill 90% of population" guy. Like Thriller said you can't lump all Americans together just because one person is Hitler Jr.

agreed.

the stereotypical american is stupid.

obviously all americans arent stupid. its a bit of fun and is humourous in tv programmes. every country has stereotypes surrounding them. french people dont actually wear garlic around their neck constantly and they are not born with a beret. stereotypes have no basis as an indicator of any given population. sure america has retards aplenty, but so does every other country.

NO!!!!

in no way would i point the finger at the average american and in no way would i even include the average american in that sick club, i have alot of respect for americans, its the people that have hijacked your leadership and presidency that i am accusing of evil the same way i am pointing fingers at OUR leadership who are in the same club and just as sick...

no more from me on this, unless you would like to carry on in another topic?

LiQuiD wrote:agreed.

the stereotypical american is stupid.

obviously all americans arent stupid. its a bit of fun and is humourous in tv programmes. every country has stereotypes surrounding them. french people dont actually wear garlic around their neck constantly and they are not born with a beret. stereotypes have no basis as an indicator of any given population. sure america has retards aplenty, but so does every other country.

meh so far all americans i know personally are actually very smart

I'm always wary of the term terrorist. Ones terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

The term is used mostly when they attack civilians, so called soft targets, Unarmed people, public areas & medical facilities etc. Against hard targets, tanks, soldiers & bases etc, I would call it a military attack/action.

However, attackers labeled Terrorists tend to be smaller in number, under equipped, poorly trained and disorganized.

Large entities such as governments have unlimited resources, the best equipment, superior intelligence, advanced training and are highly organized.

I've found that true terrorist attacks tend to be random and small with very little forward planing, they fail often.

The larger the attack the more suspicious the identity of the attacker becomes.

Large events require long term planing, precise calculations for maximum effect.

The IRA hit Manchester with a devastating bomb in the 90's, yet the government didn't feel the need for all these new terror laws back then, so why now after 7/7.

The IRA threat was a very constant thing in the minds of the public yet the government felt happy to go on as normal?

What has changed so much in the last decade to make the government so paranoid about our safety, so much so that they now wish to reduce our freedoms ignoring all the protests not to do so?

I'm leaning towards large terror attacks being state sponsored, as they have the most to gain from the fear instilled in the public and the extra control gain from the public losing there freedoms.

Fake mostly, but not always.

I am going to wrap this up in a nutshell.

Terrorists are real. Not sure if anyone has believes this but I think all soldiers are terrorists considering they bring terror to those that they invade (my definition may or may not be what dictionaries go by). I support the US and all allied troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world but they do bring terror to others.

In no ways do I hate those who are fighting though.

Terrorism is the unlawful act of terrorizing people to intimidate or coerce a society. Keep in mind the word unlawful.

Kieltyka wrote:Terrorism is the unlawful act of terrorizing people to intimidate or coerce a society. Keep in mind the word unlawful.

Now that we have the definition care to define unlawful.

In my books, unlawful would mean illegal but is it not illegal to kill another human being. Sure, for some, war is an exception and I won't criticize them but I find that war and certain laws go against each other quite often.

Stargater580 wrote:In my books, unlawful would mean illegal but is it not illegal to kill another human being.

Ugh . . . not all forms of terrorism consist of killing another human being.

yes but i was going with a general thought there


not to mention murder is seen alot through terrorism

not to mention murder is seen alot through terrorism

So you do admit terrorism is unlawful? Thank you.

Terrorism is usually based off fear of loss for political gains. This can be loss of life, property, or even just reputation, though the latter typically falls under blackmail. As loss of life and property, through destruction or theft, are both illegal in most cases when used against civilians, terrorism could be argued illegal.

If there's a declaration of war involved, just call them guerillas or insurgents. Same difference.

Kieltyka wrote:

not to mention murder is seen alot through terrorism

So you do admit terrorism is unlawful? Thank you.

exactly, since everything it is is unlawful

Being in the US Military I have a different perspective of terrorism.


A Terrorist is defined as one who uses fear to achieve a political goal... aka terrorizing the populace

An insurgent is local organized militia who are fighting for a just cause, insurgents are what would be used to refer to the US Army during the Revolutionary War.


The key difference is that a terrorist is not specific to a country or state whilst an insurgent is. Terrorists are actually quite well organized and recieve an incredible amount of funding its just that they are organizationally kept in cells in such a manner that members of cell A do not even know Cell B exists even though with out them Cell A could not carry out its mission. Insurgents are organized in a military manner.


If you have any questions on whether or not terrorists exist take a good long hard look at Al Qaeda and what they have done to Americans