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lol man Inhaling Asbestos isn't something i want to do in my life time... not good at all

~DerkaDerkastan~ wrote:alot of plasterboard factory workers have died since they were layed off, from mesothelioma which was caused by direct exposure to asbestos. two weeks ago when i replaced a garage cieling with spray in insulation that was pure asbestos and we got shut down by osha till we had full gas and body suits to work with. but from what i understand also if you smoked for a long periods of years then just up and quit your are something between 10-20 more susceptible to getting cancer then if you just smoked until the day you die. the only fire i knew to be started by a cig was one that got blown back in a car window and the only reason that was cuz the back seat was ripped and torn and it got the cushion. made of a cardboard wool material. im just soul edit out with everybody on this. i dont smoke but i used to and i see that i am doing better now than while i was but still when i rolled my own i could smoke 5 run a mile in 6 minutes flat and smoke another and be fine. the cigs you buy in packs are made to kill you(its the additives) and to cause cancer so the us government can collect your social security. if you havent noticed either hehe the new cigs have a dif paper that if you dont hit within 45 seconds or so the cig goes out. idk im more scared of radon gas possibly coming up from my basement than the guy sittin next to me at the bar with a cigar in his mouth. and soul edit out ohio laws. you cant smoke on your on front porch, in a house containing more than 3 residents, or in your car with the window down. its ridiculous. thank god i live in indiana where all us hilljacks do is chew bacca, make military edition pipe and chemical bombs, and bow hunt for 3 months straight. thats the life that thrills me.

*Sigh* yes, I realise asbestos gives people cancer. I dont know why your pushing that point so much, I never said "only smoking gives you cancer". Also, the additives are in the tobacco from the packets that you roll on your own as well.

Point being, your just trying to defend it case your addicted. There is no defence for smoking, except in the extreme cause like Buck where it helped get him off heroin. Did it help YOU get off heroin? no.

since when do you need a defence to smoke! sure it may not be the smartest thing you ever do but neither is eating the huge ammounts of fat sugar salt ect that is packed into almost all processed food and 100 other things that we do every day that might kill us. smoking gets demonised because they make loads of money and people use it to execess which like anything used to execess is bad for you

Deaths_Rider wrote:since when do you need a defence to smoke! sure it may not be the smartest thing you ever do but neither is eating the huge ammounts of fat sugar salt ect that is packed into almost all processed food and 100 other things that we do every day that might kill us. smoking gets demonised because they make loads of money and people use it to execess which like anything used to execess is bad for you

sugar fat salt etc in moderation is healthy. key word there MODERATION.

smoking in any amount is unhealthy. money in this case is irrellevant.

~soul

drinking coffe in any amount is unhealthy especially when you realise hot water also can cause throat and mouth cancer. people love coffe but hate smoking because smoking is done to excess try having 30 cups of coffe a day and see the effect. i agree smoking is dangerous but if you smoked a pack a fortnight or even week instead of a pack or two a day then the risk is not much different from anyother loved posion we have no problem with

Deaths_Rider wrote:drinking coffe in any amount is unhealthy especially when you realise hot water also can cause throat and mouth cancer.

this hardly seems beleivable. sources of your info?

30 cups of coffee would obviously be unhealthy, thats going overboard and not in moderation, so this point of yours seems completely gone. and just because the effects of smoking infrequently may not be aparrent, does not mean it isnt there.

~soul

IN the long short of it theres no real reason to smoke. Even my reason wasnt a good reason, It was a bad reason at best. Other than that extreme there is no benifit, Although the stress relief can be nice from the old Nicotine rush, That stress probally wouldnt be there if it wasnt for the craveing of the cigarellio in the first place.

buck wrote:IN the long short of it theres no real reason to smoke. Even my reason wasnt a good reason, It was a bad reason at best. Other than that extreme there is no benifit, Although the stress relief can be nice from the old Nicotine rush, That stress probally wouldnt be there if it wasnt for the craveing of the cigarellio in the first place.

exactly i guess

.:VOID:. wrote:

Deaths_Rider wrote:drinking coffe in any amount is unhealthy especially when you realise hot water also can cause throat and mouth cancer.

this hardly seems beleivable. sources of your info?

30 cups of coffee would obviously be unhealthy, thats going overboard and not in moderation, so this point of yours seems completely gone. and just because the effects of smoking infrequently may not be aparrent, does not mean it isnt there.

~soul

my source was a doctor when the wife of a friend of mine got throat cancer on the list of possible causes the doctor gave them i was shocked to see hot water. (granted very hot almost boiling but that was how somepeople have there coffes)

moderation is my point a pack a day is not moderation. sure theres no good reason to smoke but theres no good reason to do a hell of a lot of things we do all i'm saying is smoking is nothing special in terms of danger. (it is still very dangerous and i don't recogmend it)

Deaths_Rider wrote:my source was a doctor when the wife of a friend of mine got throat cancer on the list of possible causes the doctor gave them i was shocked to see hot water. (granted very hot almost boiling but that was how somepeople have there coffes)

so your source is second hand. truth is the things in water etc that would be slightly carcenogenic would be cooked out as you boiled it. the only other explanation would be that if boiling water scarred the throat and due to poor oral hygene might have inflamed it/infected it which turned into a growth and eventually something carcenogenic. of course that would be very high temperatures. now to say coffee is just as bad for you as cigarettes is quite ignorant. coffee at a safe temperature is not a risk to your health, like smoking in any quantity is.

Deaths_Rider wrote:moderation is my point a pack a day is not moderation. sure theres no good reason to smoke but theres no good reason to do a hell of a lot of things we do all i'm saying is smoking is nothing special in terms of danger. (it is still very dangerous and i don't recogmend it)

you miss the point. smoking in any amount is bad for you. and if you were really considering moderation, none of the hot water or 30 cups of coffee that you listed as examples would be there. 30 cups of coffee? not moderation. 30 cups of coffee is dangerous to your health. 1, 2, 3, hell even 4 or 5 cups of coffee isnt tho. depending on who you are of course. drinking a boiling (or close to boiling temperature) liquid is not only dangerous but its possible to inflame your throat and have it close in by swelling, a reaction to it.

if everyone were to use the same logic you have displayed with cars, knives etc then we'd be living in the stone ages still. knives IF USED CORRECTLY are very useful. cars, if used correctly can be very useful. mistreating them, (comparable to drinking boiling liquids or drinking 30 cups of coffee) is dangerous. if someone were to ram raid with a car or commit homocide/suicide with a knife, would you see this as reason enough to get rid of cars and knives from society? i dont think so. I suggest thinking about things beyond the surface.

Also, sorry about the friends wife. I hope everythings somewhat okay now. Apologies if i seem callous.

~soul

.:VOID:. wrote:if everyone were to use the same logic you have displayed with cars, knives etc then we'd be living in the stone ages still. knives IF USED CORRECTLY are very useful. cars, if used correctly can be very useful. mistreating them, (comparable to drinking boiling liquids or drinking 30 cups of coffee) is dangerous. if someone were to ram raid with a car or commit homocide/suicide with a knife, would you see this as reason enough to get rid of cars and knives from society? i dont think so. I suggest thinking about things beyond the surface.

Also, sorry about the friends wife. I hope everythings somewhat okay now. Apologies if i seem callous.

~soul

no i'm sorry but i'm not saying their not dangerous i'm saying that people know they are and should be able to make there own choice on wheather to use them or not and used sparingly they pose no significant danger.

not sure why choice leads to the stone age i never said ban or don't use anything in fact quite the oppiste i said that things should be less demonised than they are now. but if that was what you got out if it then meh.

my main point was that smokers get a raw deal people always telling them to quit and to stop or you'll die and this may be true and for people that struggle to quit it might even be usefull but that does'nt mean others should have to become social outcasts and constantly be pestered in order to do something they enjoy (yes those that don't enjoy it should quit)

Vendetta wrote:

~DerkaDerkastan~ wrote:alot of plasterboard factory workers have died since they were layed off, from mesothelioma which was caused by direct exposure to asbestos. two weeks ago when i replaced a garage cieling with spray in insulation that was pure asbestos and we got shut down by osha till we had full gas and body suits to work with. but from what i understand also if you smoked for a long periods of years then just up and quit your are something between 10-20 more susceptible to getting cancer then if you just smoked until the day you die. the only fire i knew to be started by a cig was one that got blown back in a car window and the only reason that was cuz the back seat was ripped and torn and it got the cushion. made of a cardboard wool material. im just soul edit out with everybody on this. i dont smoke but i used to and i see that i am doing better now than while i was but still when i rolled my own i could smoke 5 run a mile in 6 minutes flat and smoke another and be fine. the cigs you buy in packs are made to kill you(its the additives) and to cause cancer so the us government can collect your social security. if you havent noticed either hehe the new cigs have a dif paper that if you dont hit within 45 seconds or so the cig goes out. idk im more scared of radon gas possibly coming up from my basement than the guy sittin next to me at the bar with a cigar in his mouth. and soul edit out ohio laws. you cant smoke on your on front porch, in a house containing more than 3 residents, or in your car with the window down. its ridiculous. thank god i live in indiana where all us hilljacks do is chew bacca, make military edition pipe and chemical bombs, and bow hunt for 3 months straight. thats the life that thrills me.

*Sigh* yes, I realise asbestos gives people cancer. I dont know why your pushing that point so much, I never said "only smoking gives you cancer". Also, the additives are in the tobacco from the packets that you roll on your own as well.

Point being, your just trying to defend it case your addicted. There is no defence for smoking, except in the extreme cause like Buck where it helped get him off heroin. Did it help YOU get off heroin? no.

no i dont smoke member. i buy me a can of Redman everyday right after i leave the school parking lot at 11:05 all nicotine got me was a pay raise from 80 bucks a day to 250 dollars a day in my roofing career. im pushing that smoking is not the worst thing for ya. its a nasty habbit yes but its harder than crap to get off of. i just say that cuz everybody is picking on the smokers saying youll get cancer and youll die. My dad has smoked for 32 years and he still has lungs of a 19yr old lifeguard and it does not affect him at all. he rolls farmers too not the bags they sell in the stores. and like it was said when do you need a defense for smoking? i dont cuz i make more money than anyone i know thats still in highschool and i dont give to kicks i just think its funny startin stuff on a forum to see how serious it actually gets. and how do you know that i wasnt on heroin? you dont so lols stop arguing back in forth about getting a buzz or not simple.

I know that you said you chew, you also said it's probably worse. And I'll bet that a 19 year old lifeguard could beat your dad in their iron man contests. Or hell, even just holding thier breath. maybe not, your dads probably used to not being able to breath.

Not to meantion nicotine wouldnt have had squat to do with the pay rise. Bosses dont give out pay rises cause someone smokes, they give them because they work hard, and have stuck with the job. You can work hard without being addicted to a substance. I never said you need a defence for smoking I simply said there was none, yet you sure keep trying to defend it.

Also, im willing to bet you were never addicted to Heroin. Firstly the % of people who are/were addicted to it on this forum would be extremely minimal, not to mention you probably would have brought it up after seeing bucks post if you had been. AND your mind isnt quite colourful enough to be that of an ex-junkie.

As for defending smoking, I would prefer people to say, such as mordack, that they know it's bad for them, they do it cause of this even though it's no excuse, and that they will quit when they want to. Modrack has my respect for that, cause he's not trying to BS people, let alone himself. You tell em you cant quit, i call BS, anyone can quit if they want to badly enough.

Deaths_Rider wrote:

.:VOID:. wrote:

Deaths_Rider wrote:drinking coffe in any amount is unhealthy especially when you realise hot water also can cause throat and mouth cancer.

this hardly seems beleivable. sources of your info?

30 cups of coffee would obviously be unhealthy, thats going overboard and not in moderation, so this point of yours seems completely gone. and just because the effects of smoking infrequently may not be aparrent, does not mean it isnt there.

~soul

my source was a doctor when the wife of a friend of mine got throat cancer on the list of possible causes the doctor gave them i was shocked to see hot water. (granted very hot almost boiling but that was how somepeople have there coffes)

moderation is my point a pack a day is not moderation. sure theres no good reason to smoke but theres no good reason to do a hell of a lot of things we do all i'm saying is smoking is nothing special in terms of danger. (it is still very dangerous and i don't recogmend it)

lol not only that if drinkin coffee before the age of 18 it causes higher risks of hypertension and severe growth spurts in women. i was hopin some more arguin would come after a week but nope now this thread is dead.
can someone give me a reason why this thread shouldnt be locked?