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Noobert wrote:I am sorry but nobody from Mayhem says "grtz", the only player I have ever seen saying that is from TAF..lol..

Especially not Rodwolf, him being Belgian.. saying grtz is just unlikely.

Universe wrote:Especially not Rodwolf, him being Belgian.. saying grtz is just unlikely.

I don't understand what that means, sorry. I do not know what the Belgian's say or don't say.

Brdavs wrote:

Wepwaet wrote:For the record, I did talk to Rodwolf about this so no need to accuse me of blind homerism.

So, under the line, all the nitpicking of the "evidence" aside...

According to RW, is this all BS or not? Is it made up? Everyone seems to have talked to the man yet he wont post... you wont post what he said... what gives? Go on record.

Say "yes" and live woth the flack or say "no its all bogus" and if turns out the bogus claim is bogus take the double deserved flack.
I mean how hard can it be to give a clear cut answer not just "look at your allies", "could be TTF smeere" & "that evidence is lacking".

I mean most of us dont give much weight to it either way, its well known main is a sadistic and shadenfreude filled place with FUA at the proverbial tip of the spear, but this prancing around the bowl of hot porredge is funny heh.

I stand by Brdvas on this one. Bloody answer the call before the 24 hours is up.

On the one hand I can certainly say I have no love for Lithium and do believe him to be an utter tool. He has made mistakes in the past and his judgement has been severely compromised by anger or tone. With Gunz potentially throwing up a storm in FUALL already.. it may be a play by Lithium to further any possible damage already done.

ONnnn... the other hand. In mine and others dealings with Mayhem in the past we can see their previous righteous stature has already once been falsified this year by shadow plays and they can be very good at dissembling information to a point where it looses it's focus - they're very good at lying. I add these latter points are not my sole observations, nor are they limited solely to members external to FUALL and nor do I care to expend energy collecting the evidence to confirm what is already common knowledge. However.. this is not the first time I have heard of a player doing something like this. I do believe it's done a lot of the time by many people, ergo not actually that bad and on top of that, it's FUALL. What exactly do you expect?

(note: as I know how much you're going to love to do it. Don't confuse "You're good at lying" with "you're down right liars! Who lie and cheat all the time!" I assure you.. they're different things.)

The screen shots are usually acceptable proof. I mean, we are on the internet. A good PS user and there are plenty around could easily edit any SS taken to say exactly what someone wants with little evidence to the contrary. Questions really are... does five years of accepted proof all go out the window on one case? Are we really going to start having to go to these lengths to prove convictions? As much as I would like to happily fall behind the fact Mayhem really have fallen below even my level I cannot abide such a judgement on such taboo evidence - I suppose everyone elses problems are born from the same doubt as my own.

Ultimately... just answer the man rodwolf. Better for Mayhem to clear their name with an absolute counter - opposed to letting things sit up in the air with our sceptic of sceptics Universe clinging to the coat tails of FUALL, as per usual, ready to hammer any evidence you throw forth (so it's going to have to be good Lithium). Either that or have the guy come in and do it himself. (I suppose your next line Universe is - "Yeah, but it could be Lithium on a multi." )

could someone pm me the results. Im going to enjoy staying out of this besides my one pos..I mean.. my one excuse for you to throw nonsense my way.

@ Wepwaet - They don't care what you think.. or what your opinion on the matter is. They care what Rodwolf has to say and the facts. Your opinion, because of your loyaly, is always going to be one of support in favour of a member of Mayhem if not any member of FUALL.

Meh, you see.. I don't really care about whether or not Rodwolf committed a whoopsie or not. If he did, so what, if he didn't, I wonder why, because that was a perfectly viable option at that time.
What I find intriguing is that the 'evidence' presented is of such a deplorable level.. "oh yes the fonts don't match because I set my browser differently". Umm, how stupid are you? You just said this comes from the secret third party..

The thing is that for all intents and purposes this is an accusation that can't ever be proven or disproven, without admin going into the server to look. And frankly.. to bother admin with an issue so trivial as this, is to prove one's desperation in insisting on being utterly defeated on the one battlefield that, game-wise, matters.. i.e. the game itself.

To make an accusation is to be prepared to be either vindicated or proven wrong. Since there is no such risk in this case, we could all start launching conspiracy theories at each other, like some of us love to do, without the risk of EVER being proven the liar we are.



And even IF Rodwolf would have sent that message.. what's it to you, reader? It's war. Wake up and smell the napalm. If you inhale really deeply, you might catch a hint of roses in between the rotting flesh. In general, we all suck, we all stink, and we are all here, wasting our time away on something that would not bother normal people for a minute. So tell me this.. since we have already fallen this far.. why would we not continue to fall and start whining about how bad others smell? It is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

(Now I am off to bed. Those who care, continue your arguing. Those who don't, live a little.. find a bar and get wasted!) It's probably what Rodwolf is doing.. and hell, it beats sitting behind your pc.

Meh...




grtz...




RahL

Tekki wrote:So Lithium, because -one- person, again allegedly did something, it makes it okay for others to do it?

And here I was thinking you were meant to be holding to the higher moral ground. Ultimate victory therefore, has obviously already been reached because now, you have become the enemy.

sweetie it says:

RODWOLF and FRIENDS

i didnt wrote it, perhaps he didnt want to scare ppl wit "friends" u can read it by yr self lol smart up

Universe , if u bug admin to this case and if he finds the real profs what would happen?????
would he ostracize Rodwolf account?

till now screens has been evidence as Semper said what shall smone show more????

even if that guy gets here to post would it matter , smone might say ye Lithium told him to make up the story, bla bla

Uni yr first post was a total failur dont give up


first i showed a screen edited by me to remove player identification , and since ppl braed bout it then i uploaded screens as i had them, all downloadble via link, the massing happened 03 sept so i must be a god of graphic to make up such perfect screens.

i apologize for my tones to semper by my eng is not perfect i use the words i know.

Lithium wrote:schuesseled check the first post i uploaded not edited screens on forums aswell as links to download them. cmone read first think and then write yr opinion , it was a long post which takes time dear

yes I did see that you just updated the first post before I post'd, not before I had written what i had written mind, so it was still valid , and the last point is still factual, all logs can be photoshop'd, a video is harder. (for example I can photoshop, I cant edit Video's. Thus proving it is harder, or that im incompetent, take your pick )

The only two people that can know if this REALLY took place, is Rodwolf and whoever the victim is, and I suppose any Game Admin who can check on this. Everyone else can not know if it TRULY happened or not. You cannot make your decision based on screenshots which could have been EASILY faked, or just word of mouth that Rodwolf did it.

Really, all YOU have to decide on is your opinion of Rodwolf, judge him on his character. If you know Rodwolf, ask yourself if you really think he would do this, or if anyone in MaYHeM would do this. I should think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say anyone in mH or Rodwolf would do this, and if you did I would say that they didn't know us at all.

Forget the evidence, and look at who is being accused, and make your decision on that. Everything else is pointless.

Lithium wrote:Universe , if u bug admin to this case and if he finds the real profs what would happen?????
would he ostracize Rodwolf account?

You do realise that its not against game rules, Admin wouldnt bother with matters of players squablling amoungst themselves as to what is fair.
Well unless this was a few years back and the person who wanted to know something was ETL, but thats another story for another time

till now screens has been evidence as Semper said what shall smone show more????

Well lets look at it another way, in medivial times, for many years it was common practice to do many various inventive and cruel techniques to expose witches, the 16th century extorionist if you will, one of which im sure everybody will know is, if you drown a witch and she dies, shes not a witch, if she lives (obviously impossible) shes a witch and you burn her. Now as this was practiced for many years as proof of whether a girl was or was not said witch, similiarily for the few past years a screen shot has been used for proof of a SGW crime.
Does the fact that niether one of these similiar, in that their totally useless methods of proof one way or the other of said crime, enter into consideration for you. Or are you still going to drown the witch or not witch and use this method as proof because you know not of a method of actual proof.

Witches Rock!

12ag. (Witch Hunter)

Just a genral point, Rodwolf probably did message the guy asking him for cheap AT's for the stopping of his mighty onsluaght, but lets be honhest who really gives a god damn.

Mormegil wrote:The only two people that can know if this REALLY took place, is Rodwolf and whoever the victim is, and I suppose any Game Admin who can check on this. Everyone else can not know if it TRULY happened or not. You cannot make your decision based on screenshots which could have been EASILY faked, or just word of mouth that Rodwolf did it.

Really, all YOU have to decide on is your opinion of Rodwolf, judge him on his character. If you know Rodwolf, ask yourself if you really think he would do this, or if anyone in MaYHeM would do this. I should think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say anyone in mH or Rodwolf would do this, and if you did I would say that they didn't know us at all.

Forget the evidence, and look at who is being accused, and make your decision on that. Everything else is pointless.

ok we forget the evidenced (screens) used so far from the begining of sgw and we start takin evidences a words, screens were sent by the one who got massed.
if smone is a master of editing pics the go download the originals and check is they are fake or not.
rodwolf was online on forum few mins i posted then he didnt post.
evidences of the massing can be found in allaince logs aslo Wepwaet confirmed the massing , check convo.
what we do we we ask him to vidoe his logs.
on cheating section ppl ask admin to check for multies for any issue now screens are on and supporters play FAKE. pfff
extorting isnt cheating so he wont get ostracized

schuesseled wrote:

Lithium wrote:Universe , if u bug admin to this case and if he finds the real profs what would happen?????
would he ostracize Rodwolf account?

You do realise that its not against game rules, Admin wouldnt bother with matters of players squablling amoungst themselves as to what is fair.
Well unless this was a few years back and the person who wanted to know something was ETL, but thats another story for another time

till now screens has been evidence as Semper said what shall smone show more????

Well lets look at it another way, in medivial times, for many years it was common practice to do many various inventive and cruel techniques to expose witches, the 16th century extorionist if you will, one of which im sure everybody will know is, if you drown a witch and she dies, shes not a witch, if she lives (obviously impossible) shes a witch and you burn her. Now as this was practiced for many years as proof of whether a girl was or was not said witch, similiarily for the few past years a screen shot has been used for proof of a SGW crime.
Does the fact that niether one of these similiar, in that their totally useless methods of proof one way or the other of said crime, enter into consideration for you. Or are you still going to drown the witch or not witch and use this method as proof because you know not of a method of actual proof.

Witches Rock!

12ag. (Witch Hunter)

you really think that way, lol cmone , its not medival era , i just posted what happened, i asked Universe what can happened since she always knows stuff, she knows more then usual. extorting is not prohibited as far as i know, and as i told u before read more post smart, if u had spent few mins reading some previous post u wouldnt have bothered that mcuh in this one

As for video'ing it, if he was to tape himself going through his logs, and then into inbox and then into the message, all while capturing the whole screen including the clock on windows, and then uploaded and posted, (if your prepared in advance for the upload itll take what 1 min) I can obviously see it was done right there and then and no edditing had taken place, as im assuming it will take hours of replace the text of the video stills to fake said video. Their could also be a way of assuring it was a copy of a video taking just minutes before posting, where by, hes ready to start video and then I ask him to hold a random object up for the video, no way could he know in advance and have been spending the last 2 weeks edditing the video, you get my point, lots better proof than some indefinete amount of time hes had to doctor a screeny. He could have started months ago, just added the dates 3rd sep then posted. Not that i'd take months but thats my point lol.

Anyway time for bed, good night thread

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Lith the point is not solitary to the example,

the point being, said practice was used as a measure of proof of subject x, but said proof was not proof at all, as is screenshots as proof.
^^ - Technically this is exactly the same as the paragraph about witches, but id hazard not as interesting to read.

Lith, this is the second time you have said some harsh comment about my intellect, I have made no such derogative remarks on your person, I advise you to stop there.

I was simply pointing out that it was against the rules as with your previous statement it was not clear whether you did or did not know, I did not say you didnt realise this was the case, I simply stated Do you. I could have stated "you idiot dont you know...." but I didnt as I havent made comments upon your intellect. I was merely responding informatively to the question you asked, if you already know the answer and thus the question is rehtrocial, maybe you should note such on your questions, as apposed to bashing the person who kindly answers it.

I am not saying you are wrong Lithium, I have found you to be a good guy in the past, but....

Rodwolf is a longtime player in this game, and it is a bit difficult for me to accept that a man suddenly starts doing something he has never before done...people set patterns with their behaviour, and seldom suddenly alter it.

I have had serious issues with Rodwolf of late. He in fact has massed me over what I think is a bogus issue...but he never attempted to extort me. He made demands ( all very aggressive but within normal boundaries ) and I told him in a nice way to go soil himself but even then he made no threat of extortion...It was one of the most heated disagreements I have had in quite a while...yet still, nothing rising to this.

I cannot ignore that he has always been a classy player, so I say count me as wanting better proof.

Ive seen a couple people make that assesment, Rodwolf being a sound character would never do this and people seldom change their ways.
But people over look, many stand up players have gone from never extorting, never scamming to doing both with no warning signs, just the trail of their massive and quick devestating attack of their own character.

Not to say this is the case with Rodwolf, but it has happend before. So to totally rule out sudden change of character is perhaps the wrong thing to do, but yes perhaps some people will need more Solid proof. And unless you can get something rock solid, me personally I dont take half proof's for anything other than what they are, which is pointless. So my opinion remains unchanged I dont know whether its true or not, or care either way