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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:30 pm
by [SGC_ReplicÅtors]
dont care.....cuase i know trhat ppl will still long into there accounts wherther they like it or not...

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:55 pm
by 12agnar0k
loki_niflheim wrote:I voted no because I am one of them who connects with a mobile phone/PDA. I usually set my browser to 'no image' so that it downloads faster on the slower wireless speed. Now, not only the image doesn't appear on the mobile phone, I have to wait longer for all the graphics to download on a PDA and scroll down (because all the graphics push the login box down) before I can put my data. Perhaps a more graphic-light login page and cross-browser capability will lead to greater acceptance, but as it stands now, no. The only bright side of this is the fact that the login code is the same as the banking code, so banking is relatively faster.


Maybe forumn could make a second login page for dial up users / mobile phone users with nothing but the Username , Email , Password boxes and the Code Pictures and entry box.

itll take you to the command centre same as normal logins, the url could be http://www.stargatewars.mobile.com or something like that . -just leave show pictures on go to this url log in , and then turn it off again,- Much less lag time i would think ...

Also forumn would need to solve anyother problems.

viperman wrote:i voted NO because i wanna support those who use the mobile phone to log in .Here in my country ( Belgium ) is quiet expensive to use a mobile phone with internet. ( Damm Belgian providers with their high prices ) i did it once and it cost me almost 3 € )

i already hate the banking system it takes too long and its quiet annoying. I dunno if you will remove this last update (login issue) but if you don't please remove the banking system then.


That was the general idea of this suggestion, put a code on the login is the only way to stop the scripters without putting a code on everything , (i.e oode to bank/train/buy weps e.t.c cos that would be too annoying. So with the code on the login the bank code can be removed , but there are still issues such as auto refreshign to be resolved. Hence the auto log out.

Wolf359 wrote:With all due respect - indeed - your suggestion to log everyone out at the end of the turn is even more stupid than the suggestion that has been implemented!!!

its is the only solution i can think of to the problem you brought up why not make a better one mr negative.

You really are out to spoil this game for everyone aren't you!!!??

Dont think i can respond to that without breaking a forumn rule or several...

And would YOU kindly read OTHER peoples posts - the bank code is not as bad for phone users because naq can still be spent - so it does not have to be banked - therefore that code does not matter so much!
Instead of telling other people to read your posts -pay more attention to what others are saying!

I have read all the posts in hear... any bugs/problems should be reported not just ones that affect you more... (TBH if forumn was made aware of this problem he would have found a way to fix it ages ago, not to have to wait until he makes an update which makes some users not beable to log in.... lol the irony..)

Just because it was implemented, it does not mean it was a good idea - FORUM has made some really bad decisions in the past!! Anyone remember Raid the first time around - that was a really bad decision - but not half as bad as this one!

That is just your opinion freind. But i mean if it was liek the worst update ever as you seem to think it is forumn wouldnt have implemented it, fact is it is a solution to a problem , but atm has some kinks that need ironing out no update is perfect , they all need a little adjustment...

I would also like you to explain how the bugs in this login code update can be ironed out and how it will 'work as intended'?? Many people have already said that it will not do the job it was implemented for!

Made a suggestion to help logging in "top of post" , atm im not fully sure on other ways , ill try to think some up, but maybe you would liek to try to come up with solutions of your own , anyway forumn is better at this mroe experience im sure he'll find a way to iron otu the kink.

I wanted it implemented to stop scripters and it does. Im sure they could make a way aroudn it but some wont and hence it works. And the update is not perfected yet (same with the bank code) it just needs time for perfection or as near as we as a gaming comunity can get to a cheat free game.




Fenrir Oorgata wrote:
12agnar0k wrote:
Fenrir Oorgata wrote:
12agnar0k wrote:if the update stops one cheater then it is worthwhile implementing.


I hope you are kidding


You know what... Forum... I have an ingenius idea... lets infect all the users with keyloggers so that we can tell who is cheating


You need to stop being so negative.... but why would forumn needs keyloggers he records everything you do anyway
:roll:


If he records everything you do anyway... why does he check for patterns in actions such as ones made every so often in exact time increments meaning a script... why not stop the script users at the source by detecting them as opposed to trying to stop the scripts, which will always find a way around


and i LOVE being negative - a bit of non negativity :P
its fun


If you read through the forumns a bit, you'd know that forumn has these dection methods in place but it is not hard to make a very complicated script which makes it look as it is not a script at all and hence a 2nd line of protection is needed to stop scripters or as try as hard as possible to stop scripts accessign the site.

...............

A general note.. if as some of you say its easy to make scripts to read the numbers and login ... why have you not tried to have forumn make a better bank code.
I know that scripts can be made to auto refresh forumn will need to adjust this part of the update. I made a suggestino anymroe you negative people...

Im pretty sure some of you are just narfed/angry/mad cos i stopped your scripts...

:lol:

Re: Need a Code to Log in!

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:05 pm
by 12agnar0k
Sarif wrote:
generaloneill wrote:
DUDEY wrote:Humm intresting, dunno if im gonna like this!
but atleast it will stop alot of cheaters


It will stop a lot more innocent players actually. :(

I log on when Im at my work on my sony ericcson W800i, for some reason it wont show the code boxes and therefore I cannot log on during the day. Its alright for all you guys using firefox and IE but I use opera mini on my mobile phone and this was not even expected.

If this update stays then a lot of good players will just lose interest.

I have always accepted updates and never critisised them before, I am sure Forum means well with the code thing and will review it accordingly when more people disapprove.

generaloneill


Feel exactly the same as i have the same phone and software, hope it is removed..


If you guys brought this to forumns attention earlier when you realised you couldnt bank maybe it'd have been solved by now... just a thought... im sure forumn will be able to change the code so it shows up on all web browsers, btw if its just that you havent got images turned on, ... turn them on :)...

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:55 pm
by Wolf359
Ragnarok - stop calling people names such as Mr Negative etc - the forums are here to discuss, suggest and CRITICISE!

Any further calling people names will earn you a warning - got it!!??

Second - do not even dare to say that people are upset because it stops them using scripts - that is unfounded accusation.

From what I have read - people are annoyed because it will not actually do what it is intended to do, and also hinders legitimate people from playing the game.

Re: Need a Code to Log in!

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:57 pm
by Wolf359
12agnar0k wrote:
Sarif wrote:
generaloneill wrote:
DUDEY wrote:Humm intresting, dunno if im gonna like this!
but atleast it will stop alot of cheaters


It will stop a lot more innocent players actually. :(

I log on when Im at my work on my sony ericcson W800i, for some reason it wont show the code boxes and therefore I cannot log on during the day. Its alright for all you guys using firefox and IE but I use opera mini on my mobile phone and this was not even expected.

If this update stays then a lot of good players will just lose interest.

I have always accepted updates and never critisised them before, I am sure Forum means well with the code thing and will review it accordingly when more people disapprove.

generaloneill


Feel exactly the same as i have the same phone and software, hope it is removed..


If you guys brought this to forumns attention earlier when you realised you couldnt bank maybe it'd have been solved by now... just a thought... im sure forumn will be able to change the code so it shows up on all web browsers, btw if its just that you havent got images turned on, ... turn them on :)...


MOBILE PHONE USERS

Despite my other posts - where I explained why the banking code isn't such a problem - you continue to go on about it!

For the last time - remove the wax from your ears and listen!

WE (Mobile USers) DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BANKING CODE - we can spend naq instead of banking it!

We cannot, however, login to the game with the login code! Do you understand now??

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:08 am
by Wolf359
Ragnarok wrote:
Wolf359 wrote:With all due respect - indeed - your suggestion to log everyone out at the end of the turn is even more stupid than the suggestion that has been implemented!!!

its is the only solution i can think of to the problem you brought up why not make a better one mr negative.

See my previous warning - as a mod - the fact is you cannot adequately answer any queries that are put here.

You really are out to spoil this game for everyone aren't you!!!??

Dont think i can respond to that without breaking a forumn rule or several...

And would YOU kindly read OTHER peoples posts - the bank code is not as bad for phone users because naq can still be spent - so it does not have to be banked - therefore that code does not matter so much!
Instead of telling other people to read your posts -pay more attention to what others are saying!

I have read all the posts in hear... any bugs/problems should be reported not just ones that affect you more... (TBH if forumn was made aware of this problem he would have found a way to fix it ages ago, not to have to wait until he makes an update which makes some users not beable to log in.... lol the irony..)


See my response ref mobiles above - and just in case you STILL don't understand - mobile users aren't bothered about the banking code as we can still spend the naq![/color]

Just because it was implemented, it does not mean it was a good idea - FORUM has made some really bad decisions in the past!! Anyone remember Raid the first time around - that was a really bad decision - but not half as bad as this one!

That is just your opinion freind. But i mean if it was liek the worst update ever as you seem to think it is forumn wouldnt have implemented it, fact is it is a solution to a problem , but atm has some kinks that need ironing out no update is perfect , they all need a little adjustment...

I'm not your friend. It was an ill-conceived and badly implemented update - and is NOT (as stated many times before) a solution to a problem as it can be easily overcome!

I would also like you to explain how the bugs in this login code update can be ironed out and how it will 'work as intended'?? Many people have already said that it will not do the job it was implemented for!

Made a suggestion to help logging in "top of post" , atm im not fully sure on other ways , ill try to think some up, but maybe you would liek to try to come up with solutions of your own , anyway forumn is better at this mroe experience im sure he'll find a way to iron otu the kink.


My question was - 'how will it work as intended?' - as I cannot see how it can be introduced so as to stop scripters getting around it. Care to answer the question?

I wanted it implemented to stop scripters and it does. Im sure they could make a way aroudn it but some wont and hence it works. And the update is not perfected yet (same with the bank code) it just needs time for perfection or as near as we as a gaming comunity can get to a cheat free game.

It doesn't stop scripters - how many times do you have to be told - it is nothing but a mere inconvenience to them (and everyone else).


Response in yellow.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:09 am
by 12agnar0k
Wolf359 wrote:Ragnarok - stop calling people names such as Mr Negative etc - the forums are here to discuss, suggest and CRITICISE!

Any further calling people names will earn you a warning - got it!!??


And for information - I did suggest something else - PUT IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS - like has been said over and over again - the login code is worthless as it can be easily circumvented.


Your right calling people names isnt nice, but i can critize critism hence the negative comments.

If your gonan get mad use my christian name, ian .

Re: Need a Code to Log in!

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:11 am
by 12agnar0k
Wolf359 wrote:
12agnar0k wrote:
Sarif wrote:
generaloneill wrote:
DUDEY wrote:Humm intresting, dunno if im gonna like this!
but atleast it will stop alot of cheaters


It will stop a lot more innocent players actually. :(

I log on when Im at my work on my sony ericcson W800i, for some reason it wont show the code boxes and therefore I cannot log on during the day. Its alright for all you guys using firefox and IE but I use opera mini on my mobile phone and this was not even expected.

If this update stays then a lot of good players will just lose interest.

I have always accepted updates and never critisised them before, I am sure Forum means well with the code thing and will review it accordingly when more people disapprove.

generaloneill


Feel exactly the same as i have the same phone and software, hope it is removed..


If you guys brought this to forumns attention earlier when you realised you couldnt bank maybe it'd have been solved by now... just a thought... im sure forumn will be able to change the code so it shows up on all web browsers, btw if its just that you havent got images turned on, ... turn them on :)...


MOBILE PHONE USERS

Despite my other posts - where I explained why the banking code isn't such a problem - you continue to go on about it!

For the last time - remove the wax from your ears and listen!

WE (Mobile USers) DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BANKING CODE - we can spend naq instead of banking it!

We cannot, however, login to the game with the login code! Do you understand now??


you mgith not care but the problem with codes ould have been solved ages ago if you had.

Re: Need a Code to Log in!

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:14 am
by Wolf359
12agnar0k wrote:
Wolf359 wrote:
12agnar0k wrote:
Sarif wrote:
generaloneill wrote:
DUDEY wrote:Humm intresting, dunno if im gonna like this!
but atleast it will stop alot of cheaters


It will stop a lot more innocent players actually. :(

I log on when Im at my work on my sony ericcson W800i, for some reason it wont show the code boxes and therefore I cannot log on during the day. Its alright for all you guys using firefox and IE but I use opera mini on my mobile phone and this was not even expected.

If this update stays then a lot of good players will just lose interest.

I have always accepted updates and never critisised them before, I am sure Forum means well with the code thing and will review it accordingly when more people disapprove.

generaloneill


Feel exactly the same as i have the same phone and software, hope it is removed..


If you guys brought this to forumns attention earlier when you realised you couldnt bank maybe it'd have been solved by now... just a thought... im sure forumn will be able to change the code so it shows up on all web browsers, btw if its just that you havent got images turned on, ... turn them on :)...


MOBILE PHONE USERS

Despite my other posts - where I explained why the banking code isn't such a problem - you continue to go on about it!

For the last time - remove the wax from your ears and listen!

WE (Mobile USers) DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BANKING CODE - we can spend naq instead of banking it!

We cannot, however, login to the game with the login code! Do you understand now??


you mgith not care but the problem with codes ould have been solved ages ago if you had.


FINAL TIME - AND READ IT THIS TIME!!! - THE BANKING CODE IS NOT A PROBLEM!!!

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:21 am
by Wolf359
12agnar0k wrote:
Wolf359 wrote:Ragnarok - stop calling people names such as Mr Negative etc - the forums are here to discuss, suggest and CRITICISE!

Any further calling people names will earn you a warning - got it!!??


And for information - I did suggest something else - PUT IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS - like has been said over and over again - the login code is worthless as it can be easily circumvented.


Your right calling people names isnt nice, but i can critize critism hence the negative comments.

If your gonan get mad use my christian name, ian .


You can criticise without getting personal.

And you may care to re-read my original 'Warning' post as it has been changed - probably while you were responding.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:23 am
by 12agnar0k
Wolf359 wrote:
Ragnarok wrote:
Wolf359 wrote:With all due respect - indeed - your suggestion to log everyone out at the end of the turn is even more stupid than the suggestion that has been implemented!!!

its is the only solution i can think of to the problem you brought up why not make a better one mr negative.

See my previous warning - as a mod - the fact is you cannot adequately answer any queries that are put here.

Matter of opinion tbh

You really are out to spoil this game for everyone aren't you!!!??

Dont think i can respond to that without breaking a forumn rule or several...

And would YOU kindly read OTHER peoples posts - the bank code is not as bad for phone users because naq can still be spent - so it does not have to be banked - therefore that code does not matter so much!
Instead of telling other people to read your posts -pay more attention to what others are saying!

I have read all the posts in hear... any bugs/problems should be reported not just ones that affect you more... (TBH if forumn was made aware of this problem he would have found a way to fix it ages ago, not to have to wait until he makes an update which makes some users not beable to log in.... lol the irony..)


See my response ref mobiles above - and just in case you STILL don't understand - mobile users aren't bothered about the banking code as we can still spend the naq!

My point still stands. as stated above

Just because it was implemented, it does not mean it was a good idea - FORUM has made some really bad decisions in the past!! Anyone remember Raid the first time around - that was a really bad decision - but not half as bad as this one!

That is just your opinion freind. But i mean if it was liek the worst update ever as you seem to think it is forumn wouldnt have implemented it, fact is it is a solution to a problem , but atm has some kinks that need ironing out no update is perfect , they all need a little adjustment...

I'm not your friend. It was an ill-conceived and badly implemented update - and is NOT (as stated many times before) a solution to a problem as it can be easily overcome!

Heh why whats wrong with me, As to the other comment ive already argued against that and yet you bring it up constantly.

I would also like you to explain how the bugs in this login code update can be ironed out and how it will 'work as intended'?? Many people have already said that it will not do the job it was implemented for!

Made a suggestion to help logging in "top of post" , atm im not fully sure on other ways , ill try to think some up, but maybe you would liek to try to come up with solutions of your own , anyway forumn is better at this mroe experience im sure he'll find a way to iron otu the kink.


My question was - 'how will it work as intended?' - as I cannot see how it can be introduced so as to stop scripters getting around it. Care to answer the question?

Stop scripts logging in, if it doesnt then theres soemthign wrogn with the code not the suggestion, and i suggested a solution to the autorefreshign problem - others would be such as not loggin otu everyone but simply make them reenter the code everyturn .


I wanted it implemented to stop scripters and it does. Im sure they could make a way aroudn it but some wont and hence it works. And the update is not perfected yet (same with the bank code) it just needs time for perfection or as near as we as a gaming comunity can get to a cheat free game.


It doesn't stop scripters - how many times do you have to be told - it is nothing but a mere inconvenience to them (and everyone else).
Explain how it doesnt for ive explained how it does and how it oculd be improved to stop them fully countless times to no avail



Response in yellow. Re-Response in Orange.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:30 am
by Wolf359
WHY IT DOESN'T WORK

You login to your account.

You create and run a script that auto-refreshes the page before the time limit of auto-logout occurs - therefore keeping you logged in.

Now - I can't use scripts - coding isn't my thing - but I have had it demonstrated to me how it could be done (I asked someone at work) - it has also been stated by people in this forum that they have tried it (on other games) to se if it works - and it does.

And, as ststed previously, the suggestion to make people re-enter the code evry turn is ridiculous - and would further push people away from the game.

My whole issue is that there is paranoia from a minority of players about scripts - with very little proof that they are being used. And, as previously mentioned, if it is such a problem - why do other games not have the problem or employ similar methods to counter them? And I am talking about games that are similar to (and in many cases bigger) than TGW.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:41 am
by LeJosh
well to be honest does it really matter just an extra 3 the buttons to log-in aint much but also it will stop hackers i guess so aint really a problem

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:35 am
by Wolf359
LeJosh wrote:well to be honest does it really matter just an extra 3 the buttons to log-in aint much but also it will stop hackers i guess so aint really a problem


Sometimes I feel as though I am talking to myself!!! Did you not bother to read the posts that say it doesn't stop hackers!!!???

Forum might consider talking to Elongar - he is good at this sort of thing and might be able to help!

In the meantime - the lack of recognition of this problem by the game admisn does not help the honest players this has affected.

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:48 am
by DUDEY
wow i think people need to start reading posts before posting.

So erm whats the deal, why did noone say anything about the bank picture might have been fixed by now if you told admin about it ....











Joke.