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Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:56 pm
by [SGC_ReplicĂ…tors]
Almost38 wrote:
bladeswin wrote:-Constant spamming of the General section
->> Not being disputed.

-Constantly claiming that due to the fact that General section hasn't been "properly defined" to him, that he is no breaking any rules by posting pointless and stupid threads that noone is interested in.
->> Although extremely annoying, I don't believe his assumption is inherently false. Posting pointless and stupid threads makes him an @$$, not a criminal.

-Constantly trying to make trouble where there otherwise was none.
->> True, but nothing is wrong with trouble.

-Constantly have a stab at either current or former moderators/admins of this forum.
->> And...? We bash government officials daily, but they don't get banished out of the country.

-Constantly bashing his own ideas and opinions on the forum when for the most part people rarely asked for his opinion, nor cared what it was.
->> And...? Reminds me of something an annoying person once said when he was bashing his opinions on others. DON'T TASE ME BRO. - I can say that. I'm a Gator.

-Constantly disrespecting particular forum moderators that he didn't agree with, or like.
->> Again, gripes are normal. I wasn't informed that one had to worship the mods to be permitted to post here. In that case, I'm glad I only post sparingly, as for the most part I'd probably be in the same boat. If personal opinions are the criterion for banning, it's a sad state.

-Constantly claiming to be lamb of god/martyr for the right of the forum, when he was in fact the source of most of the forums problems.
->> Interesting assumption. Although he is by no means a martyr, the problem seems to come from both his idiocy and the responses made by the forum mods. Tok'ra's like those people from that wacked american church that protests soldiers' funerals. The more you hate them, the more they claim to be martyred, the more they act up. It's a cycle. Tok'ra's in the cycle.

-Insisting on defying moderators with the excuse that "there is no rule against it".
->>Again, if worshiping the moderators is the law and any dissent isn't tolerated, it only makes the forums look like a monarchy, with Admin on the throne and the mods his loyal knights. If such is true, it doesn't present a very appealing facade.

-Constantly creating controversial threads to feed his attention addiction and stir trouble up, as well as create mess for the moderators to clean up.
-->Controversy = mess = delete? I didn't realize the forums were being whitewashed. We have always been at war with oceania?

-Constantly creating threads in the inappropriate sections when knowing full well that they were in the inappropriate sections. (again, drawing the "no one has defined the general section" card).
--> Okay, not disputing this one either.

This in the real world is what you call a Menace to society. This is not the "real world", granted, but it is a place that people like to come to relax, to read, to sometimes post about their wars and to read something interesting. No one should have to tolerate people like Tok'ra, just because it is his right to be a pain in the neck.

--> Interesting statement, the last sentence. If he has a right to be a pain in the neck, then in fact, he has the right to speak. No one has to listen, respond, etc. That's their choice, and for that Tok'ra is not to blame. It's like the saying I hear often "you have the right to speak, but not the right to force us to listen." He's not forcing you to listen. You can ignore him. Instead, the choice was made to oppose him at every turn, publicly criticise his actions, and give him more attention, just like this thread has done.

It is our right to be able to say "you know what, he is really making this place unpleasant for the majority of people, can something be done."
In this case, it wasn't even the people who voted him off. Though I don't have any doubt they would have if given half a chance. It was Forum, you may remember him from such games as Stargatewars, Stargatewars; Quantum, Stargatwars; Chaos, Stargatewars; Ascension.

--> So...lemme see if I've got this. You have the right to complain (true) and based on complaints, Forum can sweep in and ban him just because he's a pest. Good to know. We have always been at war with Oceania indeed.

He is doing the right thing by us. He is making a lot of wishes come true.
If he thought it was in the best interested to keep the Menace around, he would still be around.
Now tell me again how he was a positive influence on the forums?

--> In conclusion, a pest, an annoyance, a royal pain in the mik'ta is gone. Your statement concludes that since Forum removed him, it must be the best option. Now tell me again how this "society" you have described as this forum is a good thing? You've stated that through censorship, banning based on opinion, and restriction of criticism for the elite in status, we can all have a better brighter world. So long as we don't question Big Brother.

Jake

=D> =D> =D> =D>



if this forum had a option of giving reputation points i would give u some


+rep to u

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:58 pm
by Borek
Judochop wrote:Again, some admin/mod said about the ignore feature.

you COULDA used that, hmmm now i just did pwneded you and your arguement. BYAHHH!!!(in just Chappelle fashion).
What feature? I saw some thread about php 3.0 having an ignore feature, but i assumed that was talking about a future version this board isn't on yet. I hope it is in though, i'll check, you'll be my 1st name on the list, you say even less that's worth reading than even the mighty Tok'Ra, lol.

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:59 pm
by Nuto vixen
Judochop wrote:
Nuto vixen wrote:
Judochop wrote:Again, some admin/mod said about the ignore feature.

you COULDA used that, hmmm now i just did pwneded you and your arguement. BYAHHH!!!(in just Chappelle fashion).



It doesn't stop the threads from appearing, just the posts.

OMGZ0R, YOU JUST GOTZ PWNED SO BAAADDD, YEAH WOOWOLOLZCOPTER...

Yeah, mature...


so... you couldnt ACTUALLY read anything he said... lulz. foot in ones mouth syndrome.


You COULD see the multitude of threads, and that's more than enough. Spamming general with useless crap.

LOLZCOPTER, YURSO FUNNI!!

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:00 pm
by Almost38
Nuto vixen wrote:
Judochop wrote:
Nuto vixen wrote:
Judochop wrote:Again, some admin/mod said about the ignore feature.

you COULDA used that, hmmm now i just did pwneded you and your arguement. BYAHHH!!!(in just Chappelle fashion).



It doesn't stop the threads from appearing, just the posts.

OMGZ0R, YOU JUST GOTZ PWNED SO BAAADDD, YEAH WOOWOLOLZCOPTER...

Yeah, mature...


so... you couldnt ACTUALLY read anything he said... lulz. foot in ones mouth syndrome.


You COULD see the multitude of threads, and that's more than enough. Spamming general with useless crap.

LOLZCOPTER, YURSO FUNNI!!

how do u kno the threads were spam

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:00 pm
by Come_Forth
I think he is talking about the friends and enemies feature. Btw Nuto nice sig quote :P

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:00 pm
by Borek
Judochop wrote:
Borek wrote:
Almost38 wrote:oh now ur mad people like tokra get over it
Yup, some people do like him and always will, but unfortunately for Tok'Ra the ones who don't happen to run the game and the Forum.



ERR WRONG wow that was an ignorant post lol. last i CHECKED Head admin and another admin were in good terms with him, and the ombudsmen or w/e is very much against this, and im guessing planning on raising HELL.(additionally that whole position was TOK'RA's IDEA... via email direct to jason)

Forum is who i'm talking about, lol, you know, the guy who owns the game and the boards. I don't care if tok'ra is on good terms with the forum admin, if Jason says he's out of here, then he's gone...at least until he changes his mind, which past experience tells me will happen unfortunately :(

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:02 pm
by Nuto vixen
Come_Forth wrote:I think he is talking about the friends and enemies feature. Btw Nuto nice sig quote :P



Thanks, its new. :-D

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:03 pm
by Nuto vixen
Judochop wrote:
Borek wrote:
Judochop wrote:Again, some admin/mod said about the ignore feature.

you COULDA used that, hmmm now i just did pwneded you and your arguement. BYAHHH!!!(in just Chappelle fashion).
What feature? I saw some thread about php 3.0 having an ignore feature, but i assumed that was talking about a future version this board isn't on yet. I hope it is in though, i'll check, you'll be my 1st name on the list, you say even less that's worth reading than even the mighty Tok'Ra, lol.



And we shall leave this duel Judo 1, handicapped person NONE.


Self professed winners are usually the losers...

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:04 pm
by Almost38
Judochop wrote:another pearl of wisdom from the uniformed mind.


Friends and Foes is over 1 month old. leaning toward 2.

i think nuto was talking bout the sig

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 pm
by Borek
Oh, nice, found the option and no more drivel by Judochop :lol:

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 pm
by Almost38
btw its tied up

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 pm
by bladeswin
Borek wrote:Forum is who i'm talking about, lol, you know, the guy who owns the game and the boards. I don't care if tok'ra is on good terms with the forum admin, if Jason says he's out of here, then he's gone...at least until he changes his mind, which past experience tells me will happen unfortunately :(


It's this that causes me to worry about the forum society. Yes, I'm not disputing that Forum owns the game and that he can do whatever he wants. He pays for it, it's his property. What I have a problem with is that people allow it to happen, blindly following Forum and not calling into question whether the act was just. I respect Forum, don't get me wrong. But I'm just unhappy with the reasoning behind the forum ban, especially in terms of the long logic Nuto Vixen (a person whom I recall a friendship with long long ago) posted as enough for him to be banned.

Jake

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:08 pm
by Almost38
party w00t!!!!!

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:14 pm
by bladeswin
Nuto vixen wrote:Big Brother IS the forum.

If you don't like the way the "system" runs, then remove yourself from it, don't create a mess for others who are ok with it.


Sigh. Tis a shame. I suppose it's too much to ask for a Magna Carta for the forum. But I suppose it's like the Monarchy back then too, that it wasn't until the people rose up to challenge the status quo that things changed for the better.

I understand that Moderators help to keep order in the forums. But it's not about pruning out those that are a pest, nor is it about avoiding controversy or even requiring respect for your fellow mods. My stance on moderators is that they're better when they are neither seen nor heard from. I'm not saying not to post, but in forums I've modded, the whole point wasn't to censor, or to remove the annoying members but to spark commentary, spark debate. The only things they removed was pron and nonsensical text (random symbols or spambots).

It's never a bad thing when the leaders are held accountable and kept in check.

I think that the position of Moderator here may have become an elitist status position. Demanding respect? Ha! What a fallicy. Those of intellect know that respect can never be demanded of the underlings. It is only through trust and accountability (and some kindness thrown in for good measure) that respect is earned.

This is enlightening.

Jake

Re: Are you pleased that Tok`ra is gone?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:17 pm
by Almost38
looks like your the minority now nuto