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Ritalin wrote:Isnt it time these wars came to an end? Lets be honest... its KILLED the game that its dragged on this long and due to the strong minded alliances involved i doubt backing down from either sides is on the cards so i guess all that leaves are inactive accounts/alliances/empires.....Inactive Game

I have friends on all side and i feel a really corny quote coming...

Cant we all just get along?? lol even if its just to revive the game for a while???

Look around you Ritalin. This is the game now. There is absolutely no reason we should accept peace, when our enemies have the attitudes they have shown.

TÅF and TL both have a history of fighting very very long wars. We kept this up for YEARS last time we fought together.

If it's the end of the game, so be it. It won't be on our heads. We did not start this, but we will see it through. Omega were perfectly aware of what they walked into. It wasn't really necessary for them to get involved, other than push us into this situation. We still strive for peace, but if that holds for just a few months then we get randomly massed again it's pointless.

As for DDE, there was once a small amount of goodwill and civil relations between us and them, even when this war started. That is no longer the case. I cannot see any reason we would entertain an end to this war after everything they have said and done. The irony is those on DDEs side who started the war are no longer around, yet those who we were on good terms with have chosen to take this path. Had things remained civil, then it could have been a different story. I guess they just don't care.

~Norbe~

no empire here in the gc can truly say they are completely free of blame norbe. while none of us may like it unless these wars end the game will die and we will all be responsible for it.
there are ways things could be made to work but somehow i suspect the respective leaderships are too stubborn and set in their ways to make it work.

Commander Vimes wrote:no empire here in the gc can truly say they are completely free of blame norbe. while none of us may like it unless these wars end the game will die and we will all be responsible for it.
there are ways things could be made to work but somehow i suspect the respective leaderships are too stubborn and set in their ways to make it work.

Just incase your memory is failing you Vimes, here are reminders of a few facts:

This all began when mH and DDE members deliberately and knowingly conspired to break a treaty we had held for years. They sent senior members, including HC members from their alliances to a new alliance (Jotenheim). They then refused to extend the treaty to Jotenheim and started to farm and mass us. Naturally we were forced to respond. Entirely avoidable if they'd either A) Not done it or B ) extended the treaty. It was designed and executed deliberately to start this situation; a large scale war between TÅF and DDE.

Then, as TÅF were fighting DDE, your leaders (ETL+HE) decided they couldn't have others massing and not get involved, so they declared war on both sides. Again, a needless war just to increase their egos and make it seem like all the $$$$ spent was worthwhile.

At no stage did TÅF pursue a course of war. We simply responded when others attacked us. So if you want to assign blame, do not look to us.

The only choice we have ever had in this war, was either to accept or reject a temporary ceasefire and NAP with OE, with the stated fact that we will be massed again when it expired in a few months. Not much of a choice really.

As I said, if the fact other alliances want to continually mass us results in the slow death of the game, it's not our doing. We will fight to defend ourselves to the very end of time, as we always have done. If the other alliances want to actually be civil and respectful then we might be willing to talk.

~Norbe~

Norbe wrote:

This all began when mH and DDE members deliberately and knowingly conspired to break a treaty we had held for years.

~Norbe~

You call that a fact? Thats a lie.

The MaYHeM members who left to jotunheim did that on their own accord without asking anything to the other members. Every MaYHeM & ChAoS member at the moment you started attacking us did not want to break the treaty.

From a MaYHeM and ChAoS point of view, TAF are the agressors and not the other way around.

Rodwolf wrote:

Norbe wrote:

This all began when mH and DDE members deliberately and knowingly conspired to break a treaty we had held for years.

~Norbe~

You call that a fact? Thats a lie.

The MaYHeM members who left to jotunheim did that on their own accord without asking anything to the other members. Every MaYHeM & ChAoS member at the moment you started attacking us did not want to break the treaty.

From a MaYHeM and ChAoS point of view, TAF are the agressors and not the other way around.

I believe it is you who are lying.

If you are even going to try and claim you are speaking the truth, then look at the evidence. The actions of DDE leaders at the time do not back it up. If they wanted to maintain peace they would have come to us and explained the situation, not backing Jotenheim and even moving more members over. If it was TAF members leaving I would have been very quick and very clear about the situation with other alliance leaders.

Also once again, there were HC members who themselves 'left' and 'joined' Jotenheim, yet they maintained all of their roles and privileges within your empire.

~Norbe~

It's interesting how polar opposite memories and opinions are in these wars depending on who you talk to :

Anyway, being civil and respectful is a two way street, I'm always available for a talk (chat with a few TA all time time) but I don't see this ending any time soon, people are too set in their ways and nobody can outright win in this game.

Norbe wrote:

I believe it is you who are lying.

If you are even going to try and claim you are speaking the truth, then look at the evidence. The actions of DDE leaders at the time do not back it up. If they wanted to maintain peace they would have come to us and explained the situation, not backing Jotenheim and even moving more members over. If it was TAF members leaving I would have been very quick and very clear about the situation with other alliance leaders.

Also once again, there were HC members who themselves 'left' and 'joined' Jotenheim, yet they maintained all of their roles and privileges within your empire.

~Norbe~

Im not talking about DDE. Im talking about mH.

And as leader I think I know what went down and who kept what privileges, dont ya think?

The mH people leaving towards Jotunheim did on their own accord, withouth asking the rest of us for approval. They left and they did not maintain their role in mH.

Yes, I do understand why TAF sees a big conspiracy here but you lot decided to shoot first and ask questions later. So dont try to sell me that you guys are only the victims here.

Get your facts straight before you start talking about other people business as like you are all knowing...

Rodwolf wrote:

Norbe wrote:

I believe it is you who are lying.

If you are even going to try and claim you are speaking the truth, then look at the evidence. The actions of DDE leaders at the time do not back it up. If they wanted to maintain peace they would have come to us and explained the situation, not backing Jotenheim and even moving more members over. If it was TAF members leaving I would have been very quick and very clear about the situation with other alliance leaders.

Also once again, there were HC members who themselves 'left' and 'joined' Jotenheim, yet they maintained all of their roles and privileges within your empire.

~Norbe~

Im not talking about DDE. Im talking about mH.

And as leader I think I know what went down and who kept what privileges, dont ya think?

The mH people leaving towards Jotunheim did on their own accord, withouth asking the rest of us for approval. They left and they did not maintain their role in mH.

Yes, I do understand why TAF sees a big conspiracy here but you lot decided to shoot first and ask questions later. So dont try to sell me that you guys are only the victims here.

Get your facts straight before you start talking about other people business as like you are all knowing...

Certain people left Mh and joined forces with other alliances off thier own free will and didnt tell anyone about any plans of war, all i kow is just before the war, Mh started dropping members and i was unsure of the fate of Ch and alot of argueing was happening so as rodwolf said,... this wasnt anything to do with any existing members of Mh or Ch... i personally didnt have a clue about it or even have time for a war but was left in charge of Ch and had no choice but to fight back once i saw the whole alliance zero'd.

Ch was just building and new players emerged (Brand New To The Game might i add...) and now they are all gone on vac or just plain quit/inactive due to this battle of ego's.

i can see by the responce that an end to this could potentially be brokered but in order to do that it has to be mutual and an even decision.... NOBODY WON THIS WAR, WE ARE ALL LOSERS... THE GAME LOST.

Somebody should write up a well worded contract stating that this war should end for the benifit of the game and a 8 month ceasefire (other than vendettas) should take place. and it should absolutel state NOBODY WON THIS WAR, WE ARE ALL LOSERS... THE GAME LOST.

who-s gonna read those long post pff

Oh please Rodwolf, we all know what happened then. You can't retroactively make yourself the active leader of Mayhem at the time and pretend that this was all a giant misunderstanding.

We knew for months that this war was coming. You knew for months this war was coming. OE and DDE knew for months this war was coming. TAF, as a diplomacy-first alliance, did what we could to stop it, but we're not that dumb to think your intentions were noble or that Jotunheim's intentions were peaceful.

Now consider this. If I left TAF during peacetime, made my own alliance with plans to war Mayhem, what would you have done? Well you wouldn't have done much because you barely play Main at all, but your real leadership would have retaliated against TAF. We all remember the last server war. That started when a few players from FUALL joined up with Radical Minority and Blahh and Zesh made their little farming alliance. Both circumventing the NAPs and ensuring that war would start, even though again we all knew it was inevitable.

I'm sorry this war has not been so hot for your little Mayhem empire. You had a very promising training alliance that now has four members in it. You have a main alliance whose only activity is you Rodwolf, and that's quite a stretch calling that activity. Never forget, however, what brought you here were the choices you and your alliance made. You put the cards on the table knowing full well what would happen next.

But don't worry, if you didn't start it, DDE would have started it officially at the end of the month. Or OE...they were going to as well.

This is stargatewars now. If you don't like eternal war, you shouldn't be here. I hear Farmville is still pretty popular.

Ritalin wrote:

Rodwolf wrote:

Norbe wrote:

I believe it is you who are lying.

If you are even going to try and claim you are speaking the truth, then look at the evidence. The actions of DDE leaders at the time do not back it up. If they wanted to maintain peace they would have come to us and explained the situation, not backing Jotenheim and even moving more members over. If it was TAF members leaving I would have been very quick and very clear about the situation with other alliance leaders.

Also once again, there were HC members who themselves 'left' and 'joined' Jotenheim, yet they maintained all of their roles and privileges within your empire.

~Norbe~

Im not talking about DDE. Im talking about mH.

And as leader I think I know what went down and who kept what privileges, dont ya think?

The mH people leaving towards Jotunheim did on their own accord, withouth asking the rest of us for approval. They left and they did not maintain their role in mH.

Yes, I do understand why TAF sees a big conspiracy here but you lot decided to shoot first and ask questions later. So dont try to sell me that you guys are only the victims here.

Get your facts straight before you start talking about other people business as like you are all knowing...

Certain people left Mh and joined forces with other alliances off thier own free will and didnt tell anyone about any plans of war, all i kow is just before the war, Mh started dropping members and i was unsure of the fate of Ch and alot of argueing was happening so as rodwolf said,... this wasnt anything to do with any existing members of Mh or Ch... i personally didnt have a clue about it or even have time for a war but was left in charge of Ch and had no choice but to fight back once i saw the whole alliance zero'd.

Ch was just building and new players emerged (Brand New To The Game might i add...) and now they are all gone on vac or just plain quit/inactive due to this battle of ego's.

i can see by the responce that an end to this could potentially be brokered but in order to do that it has to be mutual and an even decision.... NOBODY WON THIS WAR, WE ARE ALL LOSERS... THE GAME LOST.

Somebody should write up a well worded contract stating that this war should end for the benifit of the game and a 8 month ceasefire (other than vendettas) should take place. and it should absolutel state NOBODY WON THIS WAR, WE ARE ALL LOSERS... THE GAME LOST.

and coming from the leader part of TDD as most know that TAF is a peace alliance and made public that TDD is a war alliance and now you have a war and now u want to stop it?
maybe TAF should be the renamed a war alliance and TDD peace alliance.

terms was agreed apon in the beginning from KJ that those who want to be part of the war to move over to Jotenheim and a few days was given for them to do so. just to keep the treaty in place we had back then with DDE.
so they took advantage and once they got massed some moved back into the NAPPED section to rebuild and then return to the party.
those who left or quit is them that chose to register in the first place as ITS A WAR GAME.

those who wanna war lets war some we win and some we loose and so be it.

why is the game killed?

we all made the choice the day we registered and $$ or hard work put in kept some here and those who gave up aint gamers at all.

Unsterblich wrote: why is the game killed?

we all made the choice the day we registered and $$ or hard work put in kept some here and those who gave up aint gamers at all.

This

Setesh wrote:

Unsterblich wrote: why is the game killed?

we all made the choice the day we registered and $$ or hard work put in kept some here and those who gave up aint gamers at all.

This

while there is some truth to this the problem is the dwindling number of active players. people go inactive or leave regularly all because they can't compete with $$ spenders or due to the ego's of the biggest players.
i personally remain for the social aspect

Can't say this war wasn't foreseen before it began. Hell I knew this war was coming. The intentions were written on the wall for all to see, and when Jotenheim was created, that was the tipping point. Loki, Zero and all of DDE HC knew what was transpiring, what was to come in the weeks after.

Anywho, this game has been on the decline for several years, due to the influx of money spenders, lack of game administration, lack of innovation, oh and the endless wars that cannot be won. Without some kind of win factor built into a game, the game will always fade away.

Lol Rodwolf .. MayHeM DDE one in the same.. what DDE do, MayHeM wear it.. sorry dude.

Norbe.. Wasn't just DDE that had players make a second alliance as a way out.. I remember an alliance called OFIS that brought OE into this war against TaF .... nothing else.

In any case only leaders can say "we have had enough" no one else, you can argue all day long and still be at square one.

Norbe if you remember those long wars were against your current opponents.. so mate its a mute point we can all war till the end.. there will be no winner.

And though I can't talk for OE leadership, but I'm sure if any alliance like Chaos surrenders (doesn't have to be public) sets peace they can carry on.