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Looks like Obama wins.
Thats gonna push idiots to vote for him.

When obviosly they said they supported McCain because they are scared of him.

APADAMEK! wrote:LiQuid please tell me what facts i have wrong, i never said the UK had nothing to do with America i'm gonna have to ask you to go back and learn to read our language, perhaps then you can slightly understand the point i was trying to make. in-case that's too much for your weary mind i said that the UK was not the tell all see all of the North American colonization effort.

it pretty much was. may i ask which language i am writing in?

what are your incorrect points? please inform the rest of the people reading this post. inform those who learn history, not fantasy. thanks bye

buck wrote:

APADAMEK! wrote:

buck wrote:Appy, Your ill informed and for lack of a better word, So i have to use one which mau be seen as condescending...uneducated....I wish to continue this conversation once you have a degree in something, Or until you have been educated to the degree where you can argue and listen, until then you lack the capcity to argue properly, listening only to your own points lacks method and conclusion, and only bolstering your points with nonsense, Little to no evidence is offered. Constuct, Dont destruct, then you will find your arguements.

Until then, in the words of rage...

"Aint nothing proper about your propaganda"

haha. You tell me to offer evidence while having offered none yourself? when proven wrong you simply switch arguments and pretend that you were making them all along. Not to mention you have yet to tell me what "facts" i've gotten wrong, what i am "ill-informed on" when i have given you many. And Buck, "philosophy" major, come back when you have a degree that wasn't handed out on the equivalent of a toilet paper roll.

LiQuid please tell me what facts i have wrong, i never said the UK had nothing to do with America i'm gonna have to ask you to go back and learn to read our language, perhaps then you can slightly understand the point i was trying to make. in-case that's too much for your weary mind i said that the UK was not the tell all see all of the North American colonization effort.

I assume you have the ability to read? I have offered facts in abundance...whereas you have offered non. Your ill informed upon the fact that all your arguements end in "America is the reason for everything being the way it is" which is frankly, Wrong. You might as well be saying to me that america invented oxygen, Because thats how ludacris you sound. As for the degree, You appear to have misunderstood what i said, the degree itself is unimportant, its the arguement skills you gain from writeing for a degree which are, and which you clearly dont possess.

And toilet roll? Im glad you know what that is, it means your potty training now. Good for you.

The few facts you have offered I have shot down, but since you can't understand i'll break it down.

Would Germany have beaten Britain in World War 2 without U.S. involvement on either side? the answer is yes. While a myriad of things could have gone wrong let's just say it worked out like this. Without American involvement there was no selling of supplies to Great Britain, not only that but when the U.S. does not enter the war not only does Churchill not say "We are saved." but the U.S. navy does not provide protection from convoy's from around the empire leaving England isolated protected only by it's fleet but not having enough to spare them for convoy duty.

With England stuck being a fortress the German's would have probably been pushed out of North Africa or at least been unable to eliminate Monty. However, without the influx of American armor and troops the invasion of Sicily would never have even been considered. Not only does this open up a large shipping of Italian reinforcements, admittedly their record was against them but in the numbers they would have shipped Britain would have had their hands full. With North Africa under control Germany would have had millions more forces to attack an unsuspecting Soviet Union with, Operation Barbarossa was incredibly successful with only 3 million, imagine the consequences with four or five. At the very least without American resources being sent in Russia would have been completely on the defensive, if they had managed to push the Germans back or even held the line with the coming winter, they would have stayed there, there would be no counter invasion.

With Russia and Germany on a stand-off they can now start sending more resources into not only attacking England but slowly leeching away their Navy, or at the very least keeping them boxed up and unable to attack. There probably would have been peace treaties and the end of the war, but just as likely would have been a Land Invasion, costly? yes! defeated? a distinct possibility but the Germans would keep coming, and England would eventually lose, I feel that is more likely to end in Britains defeat.


hell England only survived the real World War 2 because of Hitler which I find amusing. If not for his experiences in World War I he might have been inclined to include Chemical attacks upon London, something that would have caused far more havoc then even the fire-bombs, V1's and V2's that were continually sent.

Finally. Does England/Europe depend on America more then America depends on them? the answer is easily Europe depends on America more then America depends on Europe. Look at the pound versus the Dollar, with banks tanking and the crisis deepening, people are turning to what they think of as a safe investment. That safe investment is the American Dollar.

LiQuiD wrote:

APADAMEK! wrote:LiQuid please tell me what facts i have wrong, i never said the UK had nothing to do with America i'm gonna have to ask you to go back and learn to read our language, perhaps then you can slightly understand the point i was trying to make. in-case that's too much for your weary mind i said that the UK was not the tell all see all of the North American colonization effort.

it pretty much was. may i ask which language i am writing in?

what are your incorrect points? please inform the rest of the people reading this post. inform those who learn history, not fantasy. thanks bye

LiQuiD, hi, welcome to "I read one post get mad and then post something" club. First off, actually it wasn't. Hate to break it to you but North America was called the "new world" for a lot of reasons, one of which was the way it was turning into a colony battle by various European powers. It's one of the reasons the lost colony of Roanoke was Feared perhaps destroyed by the SPANISH you know cause England wasn't the only colonial power there. And like I posted before, the FRENCH had colonies, Louisiana and much of the mid-west, hence the Louisiana purchase. And as Buck pointed out there was also Russia controlling Alaska.

Would the U.S. have turned out like it has without the British? no, i never said that, I said we would have been colonized by another power and not been populated solely by "natives" as he naively said. So how about you find some of those facts before telling me they are fantasy, name one or two, help improve the discussion not this "you got facts wrong but i won't say which!"

Apadamek is right about a lot of things. Although I disagree with him about the extent to which American intervention turned the tide of the Second World War, a lot of the points he's made about American influence being at the centre of international politics, and the UN/Europe being effete, are valid.

The way in which he's conducted himself, however, has been fairly obnoxious.. and a great, point-in-case example, or why a lot of people hate America.

A lot of people hate greatness!

Again, Appy, you fail to argue a valid point, Everything you say is in your opinion, Again no facts, again nothing more than appys american properganda hour...you really are struggleing for any decent arguements...

Oh, and i can buy 2 american dollars with my 1 english pound...The american economy is shot to hell, the dollar is nothing anymore, have you not been keeping up to date with the news? The state of the european economy, is the way it is because of the america, yes...but if europe had been so careless with there lending and so stupid in there banking and finance sectors....america would been suffering the ill effects too.

buck wrote:Again, Appy, you fail to argue a valid point, Everything you say is in your opinion, Again no facts, again nothing more than appys american properganda hour...you really are struggleing for any decent arguements...

Oh, and i can buy 2 american dollars with my 1 english pound...The american economy is shot to hell, the dollar is nothing anymore, have you not been keeping up to date with the news? The state of the european economy, is the way it is because of the america, yes...but if europe had been so careless with there lending and so stupid in there banking and finance sectors....america would been suffering the ill effects too.

Roughly 2 american dollars. That's not the point. America has been suffering but our economy is hardly "shot to hell". The dollar is hardly nothing hence why it is raising in value consistently, countries such as in South America are exchanging whole paychecks into American Dollars due to peoples faith in it, in it's remaining value.

Buck i ask you this ONE last time, tell me ONE fact that i have wrong, please, name ONE, ONE. That's all i ask, ONE.

Mordack I get i may have come off as obnoxious but please don't forget that Buck himself brought personal attacks into it, which was rather childish and pathetic.

You have not offered a fact that is relevent to the arguement, which is why i cannot point out any that are wrong, they are all your opinion, as stated earlier.

Personal attacks appy? You started it, i'm just better at it.

buck wrote:You have not offered a fact that is relevent to the arguement, which is why i cannot point out any that are wrong, they are all your opinion, as stated earlier.

Personal attacks appy? You started it, i'm just better at it.

What in god's holy name are you blathering about, you have lost all sense of what the discussion is about. I give up, this is pointlessly pathetic.

APADAMEK! wrote:What in god's holy name are you blathering about, you have lost all sense of what the discussion is about. I give up, this is pointlessly pathetic.

I gave up too. I know better than argue with the British, they have always been full of hot air about past glory and such...

Ahh you forfeit, that means i win...yes.

buck wrote:Ahh you forfeit, that means i win...yes.

You and your batman sig will rue the day. RUE IT.

Oh im rueing it, rueing it all the way to the bank...the bank of winz!

buck wrote:Oh im rueing it, rueing it all the way to the bank...the bank of winz!

You're still rueing! all is going according to plan!

btw Corran, Peter Nguyen rules.