TheWay wrote:Semper wrote:Colton wrote:Semper wrote: I will never take it that anyone in this world would not trample someone to get where they need, and if they would not out of some misplaced sense of honour then they are a fool
I'm a fool? o_O
You would do it though. I would bet a lot you WILL do it. In fact you probably already have in some guise.
If not, and if I am wrong, then you are fool. 80% of the richest, most powerful people in the world have the classic description of a sociopath at some point during their life, 90% of that time its when they get to where they are. The last 20% could not effectively be used in the study. Nice guys finish last in this material world we live in. In the immaterial, the sentimental side, well anything goes.
Pretty simple, but on the line.
You are acting under a false pretense. You have the assumption the apriori idea that getting ahead requires the hurting of others and is in and of itself a selfish endeavor.
What if you change your presupisition. I am a Christian and as such believe that the ultimate goal is to die and be in perfect relationship with my creator. The interesting thing about thsi idea is that it requires you to follow (or at least try) the precepts of scripture which is to love others as yourself and think of others as more important. I could go and on but it is no wonder so many fall prey to exestentialisms woes when we only think of what we want.
@Psi Kiya Trist
I am sorry to hear you are getting massed, and I have sent you a pm that might help you.
This game can be played hwoever someone chooses as long as they stay within the rules, however that doesnt mean that their play doesnt reflect on what kind of person they are.
WHY! Why do it! Why disagree with me! lol...now im just going to go and have to keep writing at 4:30am to prove my point, to teach...
in order of your typing...
NOT atttt allllllll..... its aposteriori knowledge. The % signs in my post demonstrate that to a degree.. I did not say getting ahead requires you to hurt others, nor did I say that it is a selfish endeavour, I said 'In this world'....this very material world, where getting ahead means having a bigger stick standing in front of a bigger pile of money then the guys standing around you.
EVERY SINGLE act humans perform is a selfish one. That is not debatable, you give me every choice you can think of and I will prove to you the selfish motivation behind it... lets say you act like a goody two shoes on earth to give yourself to god, which in turn grants you eternal life and eternal happiness. Every (well maybe not every act, or moral you hold dear, but you get my gist) act you perform on earth towards that goal is just that, its a means to an end, a selfish choice to allow you to reach that goal. Even the great act of surrendering yourself to God is not an act anyone makes or chooses to work towards without the knowledge of a benefit from it, deny that all you want, but you are a liar if you do. its a path to enlightenment that people
want, if you did not want it, then you would not pursue it. Yes, you may do perform some things that can be considered "selfless" and "good" locally, but in the grand scheme of things....nope...
Its the same with your...idea of having a perfect relationship with the creator...its all a means to an end. You may be nice, but I am pretty certain that of the 80% none of them are true practitioners of the faith to that degree, if at all. You may get ahead beyond THIS world, but as for this place, this planet being the nice guy all the time never pays. You will learn this before you meet your maker, of that I am certain. Then again, in this very vein, thats why they created confession.
To further it as well, even that 'getting ahead' (this religious trollop nonsense...), is something you have only reached by acting on a station as low as everyone else, its just society and herd morality make it look a little better....
of course you will disagree with me, or twiddle your thumbs and say..yes...you are entitled to your own opinion...well...thats great..thats what I say... and until you can very nicely show all these wonderful people in the forum that have not been indoctrinated into religion through either some negative events, hard back parents or a partner they would just die for, that God and this wonderful morality you live by truly exist, then I think they will sit on the bench of reality with me. This world is Godless, even if the great creator does exist, you or anyone else in your faith could never understand or communicate with it by your own reckoning. After all, God is perfect isn't it? Omniscient? Omnipotent? Omnipresent? Omnibenevolent? Yet, wasnt it originally aggressive and angry? soddom and gomorrah?
It's all a little muddled these days where christianity and the rest of it is going...seems like its conforming to the masses to me, to keep its members. I mean, without members the church, in any guise...would not exist?
The point of me saying all that is...I wont accept anything religious based like those points as anything concrete or solid in any kind of debate. The church changes to please those who practise, not to please God.
Why church < Science...well thats just a whole different boat there kids..
*looks at watch*
Time to finish my shift. Look there newbie. I wont debate this issue further. You think I am wrong, thats great, like I said.... you'll see....
*Sarcastic wink. Throws his yellow cagool on and grabs Jordan, whispering something into her ear. Walks out of sacred heart pushing his son..."
fini rant....