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Spyridon wrote:I just let my sister read your posts Sand man and she said you are the worst representative for pro-life.

Anyway, if you go down to the nitty gritty, you can't compare US to any other country as there are different factors. Thus, all statistics are void.

Harsher punishment doesn't help. You just place all the criminals in one single location where they will actually swap techniques, plans, advice, and other pointers which is why some people say when they leave prison, they've graduated from the higher learning of criminal workings?Thats stupid, isolation, and rehablitiation is needed.

Seriously, telling them to not have sex? It may work for a few but it won't work overall. It will work for all, because sex is only necessary to reproduce.
You say Saudi Arabia has the lowest crime rate? One of the most. How much of that is not reported to authorities?Im sorry but there are factors, like the death of offenders that change the statistics so to not to have offensive.
Yes it is cruel and unusual punishment. Even chemical castration is hardly used as it does nothing to prevent the rapists from raping again. In your subjective opinion yes.

[spoiler]Agnostic is not a religion.
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

Check your definitions first.


Religion: any formal expression of a belief
Check your definitions first.
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What is people made of? Persons. What you wrote was a general statement with no exclusion or inclusion.

People, general public, slaves to the 'man', conformists, individualists, libertarians.

You wrote "The mother can be 'replaced' when birth happens. But it doesnt mean if the mother cant you can murder the child. IT is called adoption, orphanages". You just provided a counterargument yourself which neutralizes your previous statement.

Read carefully, the mother has no right to murder the unborn baby, since the mother can be replace, it is more sense to make orphanages.

what part of a kid being abused by a parent or relative was them enticing it?
That **Filtered** that locked his daughter in the basement for years and started a family with her when did she ask for that.No, but that is differnet, he is defiantly mentally deranged. A bullet would fix the problem, tho some people arnt worth bullets.

i suposse all those raped in prison ask for it as wellIn prison in the first place, didnt show dominance to stop being raped.
same with anyone abductedDifferent case, anyone abducted didnt choose to be.

if it's a good excuse for abortion or not has no impact on people not asking to be raped

it is impossible to always ensure saftey by you saying that it make me think you feel there are no victims of violent crime they all enticed it by being in the "bad areas" as you put itBad areas, yes, not enough clothes, not in groups of people, not prepared for any situation. Simply, put play with fire, and you are sure to be burned. Play with d*cks and you are going to be screwed. Blame does lay on both sides of the table. Some men, can only think with one part at a time.

Overall, prevention is the key. Prevent the crime, none does the time. Abstinence, wait till you are married and your husband/wife consents it. If you cant wait, I seriously think you haven't tried.



i only hope you say something like that to an abuse victim so they can bash you half to death then it would be your fault


It would be my fault if I were out of line. And this case I am not.

Thriller wrote:I can't beleive your ignorant and arrogant enough to blame a women for being raped. Projecting a little maybe?

Do you have some secret urges built up inside you?
FYI that line of thought sinks up with a violent criminal psych profile...

If i ever heard you say that to my face i would clean your clock.

Mister Sandman wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:
Thats a stupid argument Sandman & you know it. A 2 year old is not biologically dependant upon its mother for life, it can be provided with the required resources by anyone. A featus is biologically dependant upon the mother & cant be supported by another random person from society.

Just applying Thriller Logic. I am not saying a 2 year old is biological dependant its mother as such, it is overall biologically dependant on someone. It is still a 'codependent relationship'.

a 2 year old is capable of living as an individual so killing it it depriving it of its life. a foetus can only be legally aborted if it is not yet capable of independent life. how can you murder something that cant live. . .

If by capable you mean dying within a week, without someone looking after it, then yes. Then, Logically you can say the same thing about a foetus.
The question or not if a foetus is alive, is idiotic to say the least, it is alive, not just developed yet.

I have a question, why do religous types feel the need to enforce their morality and rules/laws upon those who arent of the same religion or those of no religion??

How about you let others decide what they want to do for themselves eh?

1. You cant have no religion.
2. Civil libertarians dont know anything
3. It isnt morality that is forced. It is pure and utter equality, fairness and justice.
4. People cant decide for themselves because they lack the mental capacity to do so.

Kit-Fox wrote:
My word how supremely arrogant you are. Since when did you become capable of telling what others are & arent able to decide for themsleves?

Spoken like a true civil libertarian. You are asking me the question, who am I to tell others not to murder?

Oh and you really ought to look more into the history of the planet, morality is a entirely abstract concept created by human society for control, therefore it is forced upon others. Thankfully we live in a time & age where we can choose if we want to accept it or not.

You are deluded. Society itself controls us. There is a fundamental fallacy in the concept of 'free will'

And yes you can have no religion, religion is the organised worship of a higher power, I for example take no part in any worship of any so called 'higher power' nor do i believe in god/devil/angel/demons etc. That doesnt mean I cant believe in more evolved lifeforms that we cant understand, but that doesnt make them 'god' or 'better' than us, just different.

Religion: any formal expression of a belief.
Check your definitions.

And logically you cant say the same thing about a 2 year old, anyone could feed that 2 year old but only the 'mother' can feed a featus. Your logic if terminally flawed, you fail to understand the unique difference between a lifeform that can breathe/eat on its own and one that is essentially a parasite requiring the biological processes of another to sustain it.

Wow, you dont read my posts fully....

Kit-Fox wrote:Uh-huh & The beauty of my viewpoint is that you can believe that & I can believe what I want to.

Just stop trying to force your decisions & choices onto others, if someone else wants an abortion you have no justifiable power/reason to stop them.

Lonewolf1968 wrote:

As a means of birth control over other methods? Bull......Be responsible and like I said in my earlier post. Take the pill, get the shot, use a condom/diaphram, or keep your damn legs closed. Abortion strictly for birth control is lazy, irresponsible, and plain unacceptable.

Kit-Fox wrote:Uh-huh & The beauty of my viewpoint is that you can believe that & I can believe what I want to.

Just stop trying to force your decisions & choices onto others, if someone else wants an abortion you have no justifiable power/reason to stop them.

Lonewolf1968 wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Uh-huh & The beauty of my viewpoint is that you can believe that & I can believe what I want to.

Just stop trying to force your decisions & choices onto others, if someone else wants an abortion you have no justifiable power/reason to stop them.

As a means of birth control over other methods? Bull......Be responsible and like I said in my earlier post. Take the pill, get the shot, use a condom/diaphram, or keep your damn legs closed. Abortion strictly for birth control is lazy, irresponsible, and plain unacceptable.

Mister Sandman wrote:Im not fully blaming a woman, but it does somtimes come down to her irresponsibility on her part. Yes, the rapist should be blamed more, media even more, and education system even more and maybe a lil bit of family up brining. . We didnt have as much of a problem as rape back in the day. One wonders why, maybe because of idiots who reject morality, maybe because there is a lot of porn. Yes, porn makes a rapist.

But since streets are not safe, and women, who know that, and still go out, and utter fools and i have no sympathy if she does get raped.
It is like the man walking in a mine field blindfolded, drunk and high, because it would be fun. His own blood is on his head.

Rather, focus on cures of unwanted pregnancies which is abortion(murder), focus on preventing them.
One of the ways of prevention is education, and cleaning up social trash. Getting rid of the temptation. Get rid of urges, aka, ban porn and such stuff.


If you look at statistics of rape victims and laws in the country, activities partaken in the social group there is a link.

The better educated, more moral, and overall 'higher' standards there is less rape in that area.

Lonewolf1968 wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Uh-huh & The beauty of my viewpoint is that you can believe that & I can believe what I want to.

Just stop trying to force your decisions & choices onto others, if someone else wants an abortion you have no justifiable power/reason to stop them.

As a means of birth control over other methods? Bull......Be responsible and like I said in my earlier post. Take the pill, get the shot, use a condom/diaphram, or keep your damn legs closed. Abortion strictly for birth control is lazy, irresponsible, and plain unacceptable.

Mister Sandman wrote:

Thriller wrote:I can't beleive your ignorant and arrogant enough to blame a women for being raped. Projecting a little maybe?

Do you have some secret urges built up inside you?
FYI that line of thought sinks up with a violent criminal psych profile...

If i ever heard you say that to my face i would clean your clock.

Im not fully blaming a woman, but it does somtimes come down to her irresponsibility on her part. Yes, the rapist should be blamed more, media even more, and education system even more and maybe a lil bit of family up brining. . We didnt have as much of a problem as rape back in the day. One wonders why, maybe because of idiots who reject morality, maybe because there is a lot of porn. Yes, porn makes a rapist.

But since streets are not safe, and women, who know that, and still go out, and utter fools and i have no sympathy if she does get raped.
It is like the man walking in a mine field blindfolded, drunk and high, because it would be fun. His own blood is on his head.

Rather, focus on cures of unwanted pregnancies which is abortion(murder), focus on preventing them.
One of the ways of prevention is education, and cleaning up social trash. Getting rid of the temptation. Get rid of urges, aka, ban porn and such stuff.


If you look at statistics of rape victims and laws in the country, activities partaken in the social group there is a link.

The better educated, more moral, and overall 'higher' standards there is less rape in that area.

Spyridon wrote:
re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a: the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective

Again agnostic doesn't equal religion. Agnosticism or being an agnostic is a belief, and therefore religion. Definition #2.

More over agnosticism is petty, it is like a guy sitting on the fence. Not willing to pick a side.

The fact is people thought a man should have power over his wife and believed there was no such as marital rape. This view is still held lin Afghanistan where they currently passed a law saying the same thing. But the other countries now believe if a woman says no, then it's no.

Now a drunk man? You can't use that analogy as the fact is he's DRUNK. Which means his frontal lobe is seriously inhibited by the alcohol he consumed. No one would be in there right mind. Now if he was sober, that's a totally different matter. And i'm sure they wouldn't walk in a minefield would they?It doesn't matter if he is drunk or not. I could easily say a stupid man. Overall message, they are stupid. High I'm not go to say as there are sympotoms and different consequences depending on the drug you take.

Define Social trash. And there is no correlation between porn and rapes. Are you serious? There is a linkIf there was, China would be an area full of rapists. Rape definition is determined by their laws.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Mister Sandman wrote:

Spyridon wrote: And there is no correlation between porn and rapes. Are you serious? There is a link
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