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[KMA]Avenger wrote:

MEZZANINE wrote:Much as I hate the idea of a European Federation ( United States of Europe lol ), I must admit I like this move, basically any country that rejects it must admit they dont want to be in the EU.

Are they also reporting how Goldman Sachs and many people from the media are bragging that Goldman now owns Europe?

I don't understand how you of all people can say that. the banks caused all this, you know that, i know it and so does everybody else. example, in Iceland, once the people got their hands on the facts it was revealed to the whole nation that upwards of 90% of the nations debt was NOT owed by the people but by the banks who had been gambling with their customers money. when the justifiably outraged people of Iceland told the banks and bankers to go screw themselves, Iceland was branded by the UK media as a terrorist nation.
This is the EXACT same situation in every nation that has needed to bailout it's banking system...the bankers need to be brought to book for financial terrorism...


Have you heard what John Corzine has done in the US causing MF Global to collapse, and taking with it all the customers money?

Brdavs wrote:The only problem with that theory is that THE BANKS ARE ALREADY RUNNING THE WORLD.

National states have been a virtual non factor power wise for the past 30 years. It's capitalism so capital rules.

It's really quite irrelevant who the patsie is, the EU, washington or the UK PM.




Plus this rambilngs of yours are doubly ironic since the move of continental EU is to regulate the banks more and UK is staying out to protect the City itself from getting regulated.

So yea, you've achieved victory against the agenda of the banks by... fighting to keep them unregulated and unconstrained. Good logic that.

All in all great result. UK started to drift away and the pace on the continent can now pick up. Too bad this didn't happen like 20 years ago.

Brdavs wrote:So yea, you've achieved victory against the agenda of the banks by... fighting to keep them unregulated and unconstrained. Good logic that.

MEZZANINE wrote:On the conspiracy theory of banks wanting to rule the world I just laugh, they dont want to rule, ruling and governing are hard work and those that do it are hated by the people. The banks dont want to rule, they want to own, to trade ( gamble ) freely, and have us guarantee there losses.

MEZZANINE wrote:@ KMA,

You post some very interesting stuff but please leave the conspiracy theories out of it, it lower the overwise very high credibility you have.


The banks are no more evil, unethical or looking to take over the world than any other large corporate institutions, Banking, Oil, Guns, Drugs, even manufacturing to a lesser degree all lobby governments for changes in laws/regs that suite themselves and allow them to make more money regardless of who it hurts or what damage it does to the environment.

The reason banks have been able to hurt us in what we call the 'western' or 'developed' world is because we allowed them to grow into the monster they are, lulled into false security we enjoyed the boom times and closed out eyes to the inevitable bust on the horizon. And why did we close our eyes and let the banks go out of control, because we are just as greedy as them and wanted our cut.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:@all you EU supporters...read this and then tell me again how good the EU and all it's austerity plans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16472310

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According to a remarkable presentation that a member of Greece’s central bank gave last fall, the gap between what Greek taxpayers owed last year and what they paid was about a third of total tax revenue, roughly the size of the country’s budget deficit. The “shadow economy”—business that’s legal but off the books—is larger in Greece than in almost any other European country, accounting for an estimated 27.5 per cent of its G.D.P. (In the United States, by contrast, that number is closer to nine per cent.) And the culture of evasion has negative consequences beyond the current crisis. It means that the revenue burden falls too heavily on honest taxpayers. It makes the system unduly regressive, since the rich cheat more. And it’s wasteful: it forces the government to spend extra money on collection (relative to G.D.P., Greece spends four times as much collecting income taxes as the U.S. does), even as evaders are devoting plenty of time and energy to hiding their income.

Greece, it seems, has struggled with the first rule of a healthy tax system: enforce the law. People are more likely to be honest if they feel there’s a reasonable chance that dishonesty will be detected and punished. But Greek tax officials were notoriously easy to bribe with a fakelaki (small envelope) of cash. There was little political pressure for tougher enforcement. On the contrary: a recent study showed that enforcement of the tax laws loosened in the months leading up to elections, because incumbents didn’t want to annoy voters and contributors. Even when the system did track down evaders, it was next to impossible to get them to pay up, because the tax courts typically took seven to ten years to resolve a case. As of last February, they had a backlog of three hundred thousand cases.

It isn’t just a matter of lax enforcement, though. Greek citizens also have what social scientists call very low “tax morale.” In most developed countries, tax-compliance rates are much higher than a calculation of risks would imply. We don’t pay our taxes just because we’re afraid of getting caught; we also feel a responsibility to contribute to the common good. But that sense of responsibility comes with conditions. We’re generally what the Swiss behavioral economist Benno Torgler calls “social taxpayers”: we’ll chip in as long as we have faith that our fellow-citizens are doing the same, and that our government is basically legitimate. Countries where people feel that they have some say in how the state acts, and where there are high levels of trust, tend to have high rates of tax compliance. That may be why Americans, despite being virulently anti-tax in their rhetoric, are notably compliant taxpayers.

Greeks, by contrast, see fraud and corruption as ubiquitous in business, in the tax system, and even in sports. And they’re right to: Transparency International recently put Greece in a three-way tie, with Bulgaria and Romania, as the most corrupt country in Europe.

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Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial ... z1j8noCLcR

MEZZANINE wrote:The suggested taxation they want to impose would be paid to the EU not the nations involved so as the biggest financial service provider in Europe the UK would be paying 30% of the new suggested tax. Thats simply not fair and we dont want it !!!

WHAT ARE THE HURDLES TO IMPOSING THE TAX?

Critics warn that such a tax simply scares off traders. Sweden, one of the most outspoken opponents of the idea, saw trading migrate from Stockholm to London when it introduced its own levy in the mid-1980s.

Legendary Apophis wrote:What are you expecting from me, that I suddenly change side and become a hardcore hater of EU?
I am over the "changing my mind as often as I change cloths" you know.
I prefer to see the background too rather than just jumping offended while reading an article like the one you provided.