daivahataka wrote:I'm not saying that it's not allowed, Forum has never said it wasn't, I'm just saying that it goes against the spirit of ascending.
Who are you to decide what the "spirit" of ascending is or was. I'm playing the game, not some made up version with rules\guildelines\spirti that are'nt really rules.
daivahataka wrote:Look at how long it took for restrictions upon PPT to be introduced, Forum has many games to run and can't spend all his time on just one of them.
So? PPT as it was then was part of the game. People played the game as it allowed them to, if they thought they would benefit from it. At first, it cost RL money, if people want to spend RL money on it then whatever, after, you could buy it in the market, but not everyone was able to use PPT "abuse" and it may not have helped them as much as some other tactic.
daivahataka wrote:If that would cripple your account then you really need to learn how to play. I take it you don't play QW and probably won't play CW if you can't handle the job of building up from a new account?
Well, if you must know, I don't really play QW that much, I don't have the time for it. It does'nt appeal to me much beyond helping my main account, and helping some friends with an officer with a decent up. Chaos? I am playing that right now.
And anyways, QW and CW are not main. I have already built up my account in Main twice already, and since there are no rules preventing me from doing so, I choose to send much of my UU, and as much naq as I feel I need to, and get them back once I ascend. I've already built up once from "scratch" I don't feel the need to do that again whilst the rules allow me.
daivahataka wrote:Yes a loophole within the game, think you need to look up what a loophole is...
There is no "loophole", this is not illegal, and there is no ambiguity in the way the rules define ascension, and transfers before it. It does not say "you cannot transfer", it does not stop me from transferring once I get 1000 GR points, it does not reject transfers back to me after I ascend, and there is nothing to suggest from previous people's ascensions that what I choose to do is a loophole in any way.
If you choose to take a mistaken view based on some false "spirit" or made up rules, then do it, but don't belittle me because of it.
daivahataka wrote:You say that using a method to avoid starting from scratch is not lazy, but smart. Paying someone else to do all the leveling of a character for you in a MMORPG is therefore not lazy but smart in your eyes. If money is the issue then perhaps if they did it for free/some non-monetary exchange it would be fine with you.
Sorry to break it to you but there is a world outside SGW, and just because my arguements reference it doesn't make them "another pointless analogy which fails to have any relevency to the topic".
It also has no relevency because:
1) I have not paid anyone to play on my account.
2) Did not pay for this account already ascended or built up.
3) I have not paid for any naq or UU beyond the in-game market.
That is why it's irrelevant. Not because I think this or that is lazy, but because that's not what happens. If someone pays for their account, then whoopdedo, they have paid for their account, that's not what I've done, and not what is being discussed.
daivahataka wrote:And yet it was perfectly acceptable for people to complain about PPT abuse then, but not for me (and others if you check around the forum) to complain about this. Look up the word hypocrite.
Dictionary=hypocrite wrote:A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.
I have not said my stance on PPT beyond "until it was changed it was part of the game", I don't know how you fathom that i'm a hypocrite from this, but I guess when you are struggling for an argument, you can just invent things. Again, maybe think of something intelligent rather than just pulling a word and saying "look it up".
daivahataka wrote:The worst thing I've called you was lazy and yet you escalate to "noob". Tax evasion is smart (as long as you don't get caught) and a lazy way to get richer, am I a "noob" for not trying that?
Boo hoo, have a cry, you call me lazy for not wanting to start from scrath (as the game allows me to do within the rules), and I call you a noob because you are one. A noob\scrub will always be a noob\scrub until they can shed their fake rules that only they play with.
daivahataka wrote:Don't blame the shooters at Columbine, blame the guns for allowing them to kill people?
Yes, because we are clearly discussing American Gun Laws, and how they apply in the modern world.
I'm sorry, but this IS another pointless analogy, because you have completly wrong.
Anyways, I'll tear apart this one for free.
I say "Don't blame the game if players are able to ascend twice in a month, and then they go ahead and do that".
Which you have changed into:
Don't blame the killers (players), if the guns (game\transfers) enable them to commit murder (fast reascension).
Clearly, this is a false statement. Their is more than one reason why they committed those murders, including their mental state, the society in which they were raised (and how they were raised), and yes, access to guns.
Now, add the fact that murder is illegal (within reason obviously, but this was murder), and transferring this before ascension is not.
So yeah, it's another flawed analogy. I am starting to question your IQ, because you continue to come up with this false and irrelvant crap to support your flawed argument.
daivahataka wrote:Players are expected to have some scruples. Forum's only now getting to really crack-down on multi-ing, there were changes he had to make to the code ages back to prevent the use of macros, he can't sort everything as soon as an issue occurs, he has to figure out a solution and how to implement it.
I don't really know what you are trying to say here, so I'll say again clearer:
If you allow something via the game rules\mechanics, expect it to be used to the players advantage. If you want something to not be legal despite it being possible in the game mechanics, then make it illegal in the rules.
Fast ascension\transfers are neither illegal in the rules, or illegal in the game mechanics. Macros, multi-ing etc is illegal, and backed up with game mechanic changes to make it harder.
Until Forum decides to make transfering and fast reascension illegal (easy way is to make you have to use everything you have to ascend), then expect players to do it, not because they have no scruples, but because they are not playing the game, not a made up version with special rules that only apply to them.
daivahataka wrote:The only thing I've been able to think of would be to prevent all reciepts of player to player transfers on the main SGW A/Cs of those who have ascended, and I have suggested such while also pointing out the flaw; too many people would complain though at the loss of this part of SS as they rely too much upon it.
Okay, keep trying then, until you provide a viable alternative, nothing is going to change, so why insult players who choose to play within the proper rules of the game. It's not illegal, so do not treat it as such.
Honestly, i'm over this, so I'm finished posting here regarding this matter, I just don't have the time to continually destroy someone's weak arguments and false analogies when the issue is already defined as legal and not a "loophole".
You mean like it is now, hmm... 