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Forum wrote:it was pointed out that massing is a failing pasttime... as sabbing is overriding it by too much.
Both massing and sabbing should be required...how to do that?

answer: sab works on attack weapons. just attack weapons.
to get def weapons, one must mass them down...

makes sense! going to happen... if i cannot think of a good reason not to

Please, remove allaince repairs than cuse massing will be unpossible at some point.
Or let keep it but those repairs will repair only attack weapons.
Than the mentioned upadte can be fair.
Otherwise, its very BAD idea

caesar2 wrote:Please, remove allaince repairs than cuse massing will be unpossible at some point.
Or let keep it but those repairs will repair only attack weapons.
Than the mentioned upadte can be fair.
Otherwise, its very BAD idea

Agreed.

Most complaints now are that it's too hard to mass due to increased costs and Alliance Repairs and or Alliance PPT.

^ more so a waste of turns. I suggested to admin to make massing exponentially faster (to destroy someones defence) so the smaller the defence the faster it could be massed to 0.

I do believe that the good old massing still works. while a little more costly, I have gotten by on some decent size defs with losing almost nothing. if people can farm/buy the levels needed so be it. Sabbing has became the name of the game now and as all admin know we adapt quickly.

Maybe putting a ratio on here or making covert level a lil bit less costly would help, but then you have the argument of well if you can't farm the required naq then you should not have the level. The thing I am mostly concerned about is people giving up on the game. I will speak up here for the lil guys who simply don't have the resources to either sab/nor mass, so in allot of cases they are made farms and end of quitting..

Doing something with the covert is a must, but how do we fairly do it? Most importantly, I still agree while massing old school is more expensive it still is VERY possible.. My two cents. Peace to you all

Les Ennemis wrote:Maybe putting a ratio on here or making covert level a lil bit less costly would help, but then you have the argument of well if you can't farm the required naq then you should not have the level. The thing I am mostly concerned about is people giving up on the game. I will speak up here for the lil guys who simply don't have the resources to either sab/nor mass, so in allot of cases they are made farms and end of quitting..

Covert levels are growing exponentially, having to fork out double the amount is a lot...I have heard people say...level 40, that will never happen, thing is...people are already dreaming of going for it..this I do semi agree with...

Les Ennemis wrote:Doing something with the covert is a must, but how do we fairly do it? Most importantly, I still agree while massing old school is more expensive it still is VERY possible.. My two cents. Peace to you all

and have you ever caught the lucky blighter who has NOX and seemingly indestructible?

I recently took a 15T defence and he phased over 4 turns, by chance his alliance mates were not online and did not provide a repair. Had that happened, I would have been suitably upset! Massing should take no more than 15 minutes...remove the NOX, then we can kill these ridiculous defences...

Field Marshal wrote:and have you ever caught the lucky blighter who has NOX and seemingly indestructible?

I recently took a 15T defence and he phased over 4 turns, by chance his alliance mates were not online and did not provide a repair. Had that happened, I would have been suitably upset! Massing should take no more than 15 minutes...remove the NOX, then we can kill these ridiculous defences...

Robe wrote:

caesar2 wrote:Please, remove allaince repairs than cuse massing will be unpossible at some point.
Or let keep it but those repairs will repair only attack weapons.
Than the mentioned upadte can be fair.
Otherwise, its very BAD idea

Agreed.

Most complaints now are that it's too hard to mass due to increased costs and Alliance Repairs and or Alliance PPT.

So technically there is nothing wrong with covert as it stands or sabbing, its the ability for 1 person to hit a repair button and fix all alliance weapons,

I agree with C2, alliance repair should only fix attack weapons, not defense, or instead of making it repair all it should be like xx points.

( i cant remember what weapons are as ive been on vac mode for awhile ) but say its something like 5,800/5,800 the alliance repair should only beable to repair say 580 (10% total power )points at a time, up to 10 times per turn, thus it cannot keep the weapons up all the time, but it can slow the masser down some.

If admin changes covert my account will go up for sale, and ill never be back, and im sure alot of others will leave too, the only people that are truly crying about covert are the ones that do not want to invest in the levels, i bet if admin said he will reduce the cost of covert levels up 80% the same people crying to remove the sabbing / tone it down / cap it, would be cheering admin on to do it.

*Alliance repair only repair's a % or just attack weapons.

*make the Defense unit losses Higher compared to the attackers losses or [u]make defense weapons weaker and more easily damaged.

*also add a ratio losses like Massive strikes on less than 50% of the defense it attacks (the attacker losses more like 10-30% more) (stop bullying)

*also incorporate Mother Ships like if the attacker attacks with a massive strike greater than 50% of the defense the defending Mother Ship "Critically" Does more damage and kills more shields,weapons,fleets on the attacking Mother ship.

These would benefit snipers allot (low stat builders) but actually damage a bigger players account with a few extra losses

GOLDEN WING wrote:*Alliance repair only repair's a % or just attack weapons.

I can agree with this.

GOLDEN WING wrote:*make the Defense unit losses Higher compared to the attackers losses or [u]make defense weapons weaker and more easily damaged.

I would like to see the ratio changed a bit as well, not to where it was before though, that was silly.

GOLDEN WING wrote:*also add a ratio losses like Massive strikes on less than 50% of the defense it attacks (the attacker losses more like 10-30% more) (stop bullying)

doesn't even make sense. No all that does is promote snipers.

GOLDEN WING wrote:*also incorporate Mother Ships like if the attacker attacks with a massive strike greater than 50% of the defense the defending Mother Ship "Critically" Does more damage and kills more shields,weapons,fleets on the attacking Mother ship.

could be interesting, but again all that does is promote sniping.

GOLDEN WING wrote:These would benefit snipers allot (low stat builders) but actually damage a bigger players account with a few extra losses

Or said snipers could build something and do some real damage....... just saying.....

stuff of legends wrote:^ more so a waste of turns. I suggested to admin to make massing exponentially faster (to destroy someones defence) so the smaller the defence the faster it could be massed to 0.

I don't see this working. As it'll mean build larger defences makes them even stronger. Wouldn't that mean you could in theory build a defence that despite being attacked will take no damage?

Sarevok wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:^ more so a waste of turns. I suggested to admin to make massing exponentially faster (to destroy someones defence) so the smaller the defence the faster it could be massed to 0.

There is a faster way of destroying a small defence – it’s called ‘sab’.

Tekki wrote:

Sarevok wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:^ more so a waste of turns. I suggested to admin to make massing exponentially faster (to destroy someones defence) so the smaller the defence the faster it could be massed to 0.

There is a faster way of destroying a small defence – it’s called ‘sab’.

I concur, but just another reason amongst others that sab is used over massing. Destroying a small defense via ATs should not take as long as it does.

Sab is used at times over massing because it’s more efficient. It’s just a matter of that.

I’m not spending say 1000 turns massing a 30b defence when 1-2 sabs will take care of it just as easily in a faster manner, without setting Autowar.

Because frankly, why should I leave my defence open to be massed in such a situation?

ahhh...

buck wrote:Simply the worst proposed update in the history of the game

and if i remember correct you've said that a few times

buck wrote:...BUT im willing to disscuss it properly, not just say the idea is rubbish, we will be constructive....

I like the new approach though

overall point taken.

<rethinks> </rethinks>
something will come... at very least less units loss massing/att weaps first on sab or something...
keeping ontop of this one here on forum....but oh would it have been fun to just launch and watch...

How about give us the option to choose which to sab..att or def weapons..why do I suggest this? When I am sab attacking I am purposefully trying to sab out the defense as I mass..if it gets to a point where what gets sabbed is random between def and strike I wont bother...which is sometimes what happens in a online fight..soooo..giving the option to choose which to sab (covert operations are generally precise) I think would add a little flavor to the game add a nice covert warfare dimension to the game.