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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:38 am
by Sleipnir
Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:but simply players should be allowed to choose!
to follow path of enlightment or to stay mortals.
Aren't they?
we are not!
So you're forced to ascend?
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:19 am
by Quina Quen
At least rank those with G & R on a separate board much like the Alliance Rankings or Commander Rankings so those with lots of G & R who choose not to ascend can have some sense of recognition within themselves (lol)...
In short... rankings for the non ascended.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:12 pm
by Bahamut
Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:but simply players should be allowed to choose!
to follow path of enlightment or to stay mortals.
Aren't they?
we are not!
So you're forced to ascend?
well if we want benefits!
YES WE ARE FORCED TO ASCEND!
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:55 pm
by [SGC_ReplicÅtors]
Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:but simply players should be allowed to choose!
to follow path of enlightment or to stay mortals.
Aren't they?
we are not!
So you're forced to ascend?
well if we want benefits!
YES WE ARE FORCED TO ASCEND!
not forced....i give u a SG1 quite from ares bock...."Choiceless"
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:56 pm
by Bahamut
yes btter word then forced agreed with u sgc_repli
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:39 pm
by Ishtar66
If i started playing from the begining, i would have been willing to ascend, but sinc eionly started in october of 2005, i have no desire to ascend at all.
i like bahamuts idea here. if something like this was put into action for gatewars, id consider spending my G&R points on it.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:03 pm
by raistlin majere
indeed, the handful of us that dont ascend are either going to be considered weak...or noobish, i myself dont want to ascent because i dont want to play ascention server. PLUS...if i have a good post ascention account and decention comes in, where does that leave me...i have an inactive ascention account(dont wanna play it, remember) and it will be killed decending me.
i dont see the benefit for those of us without the time to play a dozen servers and surf 25 forums(i actually DO do this here)
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:39 pm
by Sleipnir
Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:but simply players should be allowed to choose!
to follow path of enlightment or to stay mortals.
Aren't they?
we are not!
So you're forced to ascend?
well if we want benefits!
YES WE ARE FORCED TO ASCEND!
You either choose to take the benefits, and the consequences that come with those benefits, or you choose not to take either. You can't expect to get the benefits without paying for them like the ascended have. Besides, what prevents you from ascending and just ignoring the extra account you're given? No one is forcing you to play it.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:05 am
by Bahamut
Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Bahamut wrote:but simply players should be allowed to choose!
to follow path of enlightment or to stay mortals.
Aren't they?
we are not!
So you're forced to ascend?
well if we want benefits!
YES WE ARE FORCED TO ASCEND!
You either choose to take the benefits, and the consequences that come with those benefits, or you choose not to take either. You can't expect to get the benefits without paying for them like the ascended have. Besides, what prevents you from ascending and just ignoring the extra account you're given? No one is forcing you to play it.
i think that u who ascend could better concentrate on suggestions how to upgrade ascended server and leave us not ascended to take care about main server
ascended beings are to avoid any contacts with mortals and not to intefere in their world.
isn't that rule of ascension and who brakes that rule is to be trown out from ascension?
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:32 am
by Artiglio
G&R was made for being able to ascend, if you dont want to ascend thats your choice, but if you dont you should NOT get any bonus ... we ascended have payed the price to get our bonus if you want it, you should to
also, you dont need to play your ascention account ... i dont
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:02 am
by Wolf359
Ishtar66 wrote:If i started playing from the begining, i would have been willing to ascend, but sinc eionly started in october of 2005, i have no desire to ascend at all.
i like bahamuts idea here. if something like this was put into action for gatewars, id consider spending my G&R points on it.
If I may say, that is a very defeatist attitude - I know people who started around the same time as you who have ascended or are about to ascend.
I can understand why a lot of players are opposed to Bahamut's idea - ultimately it is because to gain the ascended bonus you have to sacrifice your account and build from scratch.
I can also understand why some people may wish not to ascend - but as has been stated several times now in this thread - if you ascend, you DO NOT have to play your ascended acount - just stick it in vacation mode.
I think the only solution is to implement a suggestion along the lines that I came up with earlier:
Wolf359 wrote:There may, however, be a compromise.........
What about the possibility of being half-ascended? It will still cost exactly the same in G&R, but only half the amount of ascension power points. Then, for the purpose of this, the player can 'attempt' to ascend - but will be 'unable' to - therefore becoming a half-ascended being, keeping their old race, the account is reset with half the prior bonuses, weapons strengths/costs etc.
However, there would be no additional half-ascensions possible - as I do not believe you should be able to half-ascend more than once.
Should the half asended player then decide they actually wish to ascend properly, they would once again have to achieve the required G&R, and half the required ascension points.
The alternative is to allow all ascended beings to retain their old race (Garak was, after all, still a Jaffa once he became a prior), and then once ascended you can either play in ascended or simply put your account into permannet vacation mode.
Happy to take suggestions/commenst on how either of these could be improved..... - but I think they are, realistically, the only alternatives that would a) not upset existing Asecnded players (mainly because they might've chosen this instead of ascending (I would have)), and b) Like Reaver said - the already powerful will become more powerful.
This is by no means perfect, and needs further work to be tied in with Bahamut's idea - perhaps we could allow further 'half ascensions'? - but the point is that this will be open to both ascended AND non-ascended main accounts - and will still leave the option to ascend.
Something along these lines is the only way to solve this as we are now hitting our heads against a brick wall.
However, ultimately, the decision is Forum's - and nobody has heard his thoughts yet - perhaps he only ever meant G&R to be sued for ascension? Who knows?
If you like, I will try and work out a more detailed approach to my suggestion........?
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:30 am
by The ancient evil
Wolf359 wrote:I can understand why a lot of players are opposed to Bahamut's idea - ultimately it is because to gain the ascended bonus you have to sacrifice your account and build from scratch.
Most of the objections are not about the account reset. Their about gaining the second account. This is certainly my objection.
Wolf359 wrote:I can also understand why some people may wish not to ascend - but as has been stated several times now in this thread - if you ascend, you DO NOT have to play your ascended acount - just stick it in vacation mode.
Then we have to remember to login and keep setting Vacation Mode. Plus, there has been no clear response from admin that this works.
Would it not be better to simply give us the choice of creating the account rather than just automatically giving it to us. That way, should we later decide to take the account on, we can.
The may be a problem with not creating the account (like the ascension points not being stored long-term). If this is the case, then I don't mind sacrificing a harder start for the choice of creating the account or not.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:44 am
by Spoon
The ancient evil wrote:Wolf359 wrote:I can understand why a lot of players are opposed to Bahamut's idea - ultimately it is because to gain the ascended bonus you have to sacrifice your account and build from scratch.
Most of the objections are not about the account reset. Their about gaining the second account. This is certainly my objection.
He was talking about the people objecting to this idea, not the people who are opposed to ascending. A lot of the people who support this idea are opposed to gaining a second account, the people against it feel its unfair that you should be able to gain bonuses for your main account a quick and easy way without having to reset your account.
The ancient evil wrote:Wolf359 wrote:I can also understand why some people may wish not to ascend - but as has been stated several times now in this thread - if you ascend, you DO NOT have to play your ascended acount - just stick it in vacation mode.
Then we have to remember to login and keep setting Vacation Mode. Plus, there has been no clear response from admin that this works.
Once you have set vacation mode you do not come off of it until you log back in so you will not need to keep logging in to update it, maybe once per ascension will you be required to log in just to make sure reascending doesnt take you off vacation mode.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:54 am
by Artiglio
Spoon the Prophet wrote:Once you have set vacation mode you do not come off of it until you log back in so you will not need to keep logging in to update it, maybe once per ascension will you be required to log in just to make sure reascending doesnt take you off vacation mode.
vacation mode only lasts 99 days in ascention ... tho that is 3 months so it wont be hard to log in just once every 3 months
i doubt you could do much in the 2 minuites it take to log in and reset the vacation mode
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:28 am
by Bahamut
"G&R points for not ascended accounts"
that is the title of topic
so please if u can't suggest something related to that please rather don't post then waste our time with irelevant argue who spend how much on ascension!
we are not asking for full benefits that ascended acounts get!
we are not asking that it should be given to us for free!
this was simpla proposal for use of G&R points in some other way instead of ascending for those that choose not to ascend, also this proposal involves some upgrades, and it isn't ment for them to be just added but payed with loads of naq!
if all u can post is:
G&R points are created for purpose of ascending.
well don't post that we heard that several times.
this game was originaly without:
Bank
Mothersgips
Technology
covert activity limit etc (feel free to add those that miss- upgrades)
i will repeat once more
this is proposal for possiblle game upgrade, for those that don't wont to ascend, as it become obvious lately that most of shell accounts is used only for upgrading ascension account and that most of ascended players don't have interest in main server only in ascended.
there for my opinion is that ascended ones shouldn't really interfere with non ascended!