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~Tziki~ wrote:Your giving me examples of people who are clearly not active and barely give a **Filtered**, and comparing them to my examples of those that are active.

See second last sentence.

~Tziki~ wrote: the whole point of this is to prove the active players are still more than able to stay ahead just by farming in comparison to those who get an extra 10q worth of LFC a day.. which a lot dont as you said yourself, the average only get 7q worth.

No. The overarching point of this is to prove to me MORE APP is needed to convert on TC.
It seemed that you were stuck on the point of players not being able to catch up and hence they need more app faster, in that case we've both run through the calcs and shown someone converting APP will gain more DMU than a counterpart farming their life away.
But clearly now you've moved onto suggesting active players/farmers deserve to stay ahead and thus should.

Hurry up and choose a side.

~Tziki~ wrote: Then we can throw in using NGM ascended accounts to farm for the main account,

Anyone can do it, ergo not counted.

~Tziki~ wrote: and this is all provided your farming naturally. many of the accounts using app conversion arent as readily able to farm descentions either due to size or lack of ToC strength to descend. Which again puts already established accounts ahead... so they have absolutely no claim towards speeding it up being unfair.

Things changed, updates went ahead, I would assume it doesn't occur as regularly, and it also blows away a **Filtered** ton of AT's in the process, IF you can find a good one.

~Tziki~ wrote: So... rather than me giving you countless reasons why this should happen, along with a majority vote from the players of ascended to prove that 75% or so of the players that read this thread are able to see the logic behind it...

Yes, 'reasons', sure.
I'm going to hazard a guess and say 21 of those voters have APP and 8 of those voters have no APP. There is a reason why, and I did mention it in a latter post. Simple human nature.

~Tziki~ wrote: why dont you tell us why this isnt worth it? both logically and with numbers.

I did, several times. Actually, I did show you with logic and numbers in my last post.

If you're going to try and play that 'but but but sooooool new players can't catch up to the big ones fast because they can't get big dmu hits like we can', you should consider reading the few posts concerning it I've made in this thread.

Things are going around in circles, again, so if you have some more 'valid points' that I can just quote an answer from a previous post, I'll probably ignore them.

Thats the problem, you've ignored everything and just come up with excuses, tried to twist everything to the point i have to go back on myself to address seperate issue and given your typical

"i refuse to listen to anything that i didnt think of myself, cz im awesome and everyone else is wrong"

attitude.

even if it is 21 people with app and 8 without, thats still 21 people to 8 and still a majority vote and an obvious need to pay attention to it, but your not.

Ive tried to suggest speeding it up, you said it would give to much of an advantage. ive showed you how it doesnt give you an advantage as it is, and speeding it up would still probably only break even or perhaps take over a little. but not enough to make a huge difference any time soon, like the instant convert all did.

It shouldnt take more than the obvious fact that taking 7-8 years to convert something for less than 1 years work.. is idiotic. Plain and simply retarded. no other facts, despite me mentioning them, are required. If you want to go down as the admin that killed the server because of being to stubborn, your going the right way about it. You brought life into the server, and now your going to undo your work through refusing to listen to what players want.. 75% of the players active enough to view this. not just 1 or 2, not just myself.


sort it out.

Meh, scrap APP for Life Force entirely, its making descending people who have large amounts of APP a right pain.

Instead, allow APP to be spent on temporary perks, for example, 10% increased CER, 5% increased income, 10% increased covert power, 5% increased TOC. Make the perks last for X turn changes or Y attacks. Come up with a set cost for each perk (none costing all APP other than a 1 time life force conversion for say 50% the current value).

If Unknowns want to have APP for the perks, they can use the Market turns on main to shunt some APP to ascended.

Gives APP some flavour and puts an end to this topic.

~Tziki~ wrote: Ive tried to suggest speeding it up, you said it would give to much of an advantage. ive showed you how it doesnt give you an advantage as it is,

It does, and I've proved that to you.

@clock, it would just reign all the issues main is having now with peoples large stockpiles of GnR, and the different market trades for it.

Clockwork wrote:Meh, scrap APP for Life Force entirely, its making descending people who have large amounts of APP a right pain.

Instead, allow APP to be spent on temporary perks, for example, 10% increased CER, 5% increased income, 10% increased covert power, 5% increased TOC. Make the perks last for X turn changes or Y attacks. Come up with a set cost for each perk (none costing all APP other than a 1 time life force conversion for say 50% the current value).

If Unknowns want to have APP for the perks, they can use the Market turns on main to shunt some APP to ascended.

Gives APP some flavour and puts an end to this topic.

and opens up a rage topic at all those that spent the last 6 months taking their sweet time, then having it ripped away from them.

as for your descending theory. APP goes directly to LFC, it has no effect on ascending other than the person involved doesnt have to farm for 2 minutes to replenish their LFC, and subsequently their LF and LFR.

Why dont you just sit on Sol with direct attacks? Words not working here lol

KOS wrote:Why dont you just sit on Sol with direct attacks? Words not working here lol

Exactly, do what Robert did, attempt to descend the admin of the game

Or make your account undescendable. Mine for example replenishes from a full 2/5 LF attack within an hour, So you can try to descend me every 3 hours until the server dies and I would never have to even log on to replenish.

look at it as a competition, if Sol wins then Tziki shuts up. if Tziki wins Sol fixes the game... first one to be descended loses... GO!

hmm with 1k personals.. i think SoL would win that quite easily

haha

Just a quick question. Still no solution for people who ascend to be able to reset their ATs every 2 weeks like the rest without losing gazillion APs right?

Read up.

Tziki vs SoL war?

You crazy

Up as in the last 3-4 pages.