descension

[Tok`ra]

Is it possible for someone to select to NOT play asencion, and just ascend to boost their main server account?

[chunkysoup]

Is it possible for someone to select to NOT play asencion, and just ascend to boost their main server account?

Sorry mate, know youve been up here for only one day (forgive my friend lol) - but NO - we all VERY strongly dont like people that want to ascend only for main bonuses... Get used to it lol...

1. Im all for linking main/ascended vacation - vacation was originally implemented for that - when you go on vacation, cant log on, dont want to worry about attcks - if youre on vacation for main, you damn well shouldnt mind bein on vacation in ascended right? and vice versa...

2. 1v1 battle is the way to go - noone (almost noone) can survive a 30v1 battle, and ascension WAS supposed to ignore alliances, so lets try to stick as close to that as possible?

3. no cosmic trade... it just cant be good, cant be good.

-chunky

[samson1111]

7) Someone mentioned a few pages back that it would be the Ascended life force that is hit first, and then the defensive military? I would have thought it would be the other way around, but you could rationalise it saying that the mortals step up to defend their god.

I completely agree, first the psychical realm , then the direct attacks at u

I say yes to the
1- vacation on main/ascended at once
2- 1 month time + u loose 5%(1 ascencion) (but u get GR points in the main if u r ranked in the GR range (so u can ascend back after the 1month), so u can protect somehow ur self against the descencion)
3- during this month u loose all the bonuses(on main), but u keep the ascended weaps
4- no kills>> this would only encourage strong players to descend for fun
5- descending really hard, I would like to see descenicion really costly and in a battle of 1 on 1 and it should last for several days

all I can say forum, ur 1st post was a great idea, I would definately like the descencion that way

now, what would I like to see in the ascended. only few ideas

A- if the main/ascended vacation is gonna be together, then why couldnt we have same names in the ascended and main also?, I mean if some1 descends me with a diferent name in ascended then his main name, then I dont know who to thank for my descencion.

B- resurection? what would be the use for it?, how could u get it?
my idea>> u could get it with every LG+ number>> after u would be descended, main account wouldnt been affected and u would be protected for 2 weeks against god attacks

C- if a 1 on 1 battle begins>> the attacker should chalenge the other ascended beeing>> it would look like this
player A chalenges player B( he has to wait 1 day (so the player B can prepare for the battle)
then they battle for x days
if some1 wins, the other1 is descended
if no1, wins no1 descended

only few of my ideas, sorry for my english, dont mass

[Tok`ra]

Sorry mate, know youve been up here for only one day (forgive my friend lol) - but NO - we all VERY strongly dont like people that want to ascend only for main bonuses... Get used to it lol...

Then why have any bonus or affect on main at all ?
Why noy just make it where you can gain access to a hidden server that isnt linked to main at al.
Fact is, some people dont want to play but a single MMO server.
You dont get hit in main for getting pwnd in chaos or Q.
I play main and enjoy it. Ascended doesnt even have a bloody FAQ.

Why not simply add in an option to not play ascended ? When you select it, your account reverts to the stats you ascended with (to prevent a vacation mode abuse syndrome) and have it block you out of ascencion for 6 weeks minimum.

If my main account can be affected at all by being on asencion, then I might as well just send my UU to a freind, delete my account, and start over.

[RepliJake]

Sorry mate, know youve been up here for only one day (forgive my friend lol) - but NO - we all VERY strongly dont like people that want to ascend only for main bonuses... Get used to it lol...

Then why have any bonus or affect on main at all ?
Why noy just make it where you can gain access to a hidden server that isnt linked to main at al.
Fact is, some people dont want to play but a single MMO server.
You dont get hit in main for getting pwnd in chaos or Q.
I play main and enjoy it. Ascended doesnt even have a bloody FAQ.

Why not simply add in an option to not play ascended ? When you select it, your account reverts to the stats you ascended with (to prevent a vacation mode abuse syndrome) and have it block you out of ascencion for 6 weeks minimum.

If my main account can be affected at all by being on asencion, then I might as well just send my UU to a freind, delete my account, and start over.

You don't get to chaos or quantum by playing main to get G&R, Ascesion is linked to main, if you don't want to play ascension, you shouldn't ascend, the bonuses to main, are for working harder, ie playing both servers...

[ohknee0]

My eyes hurt after reading all that.

- I like the original idea - more through 'something is better than nothing' then anything else.
- I do have some concerns for the little guy, people ascending to a new, mysterious realm, and getting a battering - the ideas around not being able to be attacked for x amount of time is good.
- I don't like the ideas around vac being linked to main - though they're meant to be linked, they're two different realms. I think limiting number of vacs possible (maybe like bank turns used to) but I'm not sure how it would work. If you go on vac in main your ascended account is also put on vac (for genuine people going on vac, etc), but are limited somehow from extended vac on ascended.
- Being able to deascend voluntarily (the 'descend' button) may get rid of some of the accounts people are concerned about - arguably you should end up with no bonuses on main.
Anyway, whatever happens, not everybody will be happy - this game has been a good lesson in showing that you cant please all the people all the time.

Good luck Forum - I, for one, can't wait for the update.

[Tok`ra]

Actualy, the bonus for main is for working hard IN main, Ascending is a bonus. Thats how I see it anyway.

Tho it'd be cool if the 1Vs1 was like alliance wars, both parties have to agree. Declining would hurt some ascended stats. It would not be an option if you had not loged in for X ammount of time.

[Spoon]

I agree with the ideas about linking vacation mode on both servers, I always have as then it would stop the casual ascendeders who are clogging up the server yet putting no effort in there themselves. My idea to get around that would be that the game keeps track of how long you have been on vacation mode in ascended for, say you ascend then go straight on ppt for 1 month, then it comes to the time where you want to reascend. Rather than letting you do that the game should inform you that you are unable to reascend until at least the 30 days you spent on vacation there are cancelled out by spending 30 days active, until you have done that you cannot reascend, oh and to stop people rush ascending living gods should only be allowed on vaction mode in ascended if they put their main account on vacation first, and when they take their main account off vacation their ascended one comes off as well.

Back onto the topic of deascension anyhow, I think the idea of losing your bonus in main for a month is interesting but it might be more interesting if they got their bonus back in a different way. If you made when you are deascended your main account loses its entire bonus, however you regain said bonus at a rate of 5% every two weeks, so a prior would get their bonus back in the two weeks as they are less invested in the ascension server, however an LG+1 would take 3 months to regain their full bonus as it takes time for them to recover and be able to send as much energy down to the mortal plane as they were before. I like this way as it doesnt punsih any player new to ascension as harshly, plus it allows them to recover quicker, plus it has a more lasting feel to it that just the one month of no bonus didnt have, of course you would not be able to reascend until you got your full bonus back for your old rank either.

The other harsher idea I had for a punishment(?) in main for being deascended was they would have a one month period where their weapon strength is halved due to their military being in disarray and their go on strike so they only get 1/4 of their normal income. They would still get turns as usual and be able to send their more disorganised military out to try to win more resources.

As to the punishment on ascension I would say Psi had the right idea with 3 weeks of enforced vacation followed by a week long ppt to try to recover from the beating your account recieved in the process of being deascended. As well as the fact your 3 week vacation mode would put you three weeks behind your rivals.

Oh I like shooting stars suggestion on how to protect new players in that they cant be deascended for 3 months/3 ascensions whichever comes first

[daivahataka]

Afraid I've not read all the posts so far as I'm in work at the moment but I have to say that I like Forum's original suggestion in that it'll hurt but it won't be a case of one person being able to wipe out the best part of a year's work just because they feel like it.
It's a hefty loss for the month to your main A/C in that for those with 6 ascentions it's ~23% drop to all statistics.
Those with fewer ascentions suffer less (5% of 105% is only just over 4% loss to your stats), which in a way is some protection to the newer ascendies.

I also agree with the players that vacation mode should indeed be linked between the accounts.

[MaxxTheMonk]

I seem to have been heard, but I'll shortly restate my opions:

1) If Descended, you go from >=LG to non ascended, or LG+ to LG.
Meaning if you're descended you lose your ascended bonus's and all you assets are converted back to non ascended on main, No protection. Only safe guard from being kicked off Ascended server is be LG+, then you atleast stay an ascended being for a second chance. Still, don't protect the killed, they are dead anyway.

2) Vac mode is tied to people and real life not game strats, so if you go on vacation, just go away, come back later. Don't misuse such a nice feature as a PPT (IT'S NOT A PPT, IF IT WAS I'm SURE ADMIN WOULD HAVE CALLED IT PPT)

3) I'm "weak", I don't need more then 8-13 weeks of PPT to build a defence on ascended server, and that's without attacking people, pure income pr turn.

4) Why make a market were you can buy turns? I like the Idea that you have to think before you attack.

Just me 2 cents again, in shorter form. read my previuos post if you want to know why and who I am.

[GhostyGoo]

I'm not reading all that and so i'll keep it short and sweet (or not so, depending upon your outlook)...

...so, basically, no one has anything to worry about. Great. Descention is not actually descention.

One thing i would like to point out and a) if i'm being dumb, feel free to take me to the cleaners and b) sorry if it's not actually dumb and someone has already pointed it out; It's basically like the super weapon in chaos, you might as well just get your friend to descend you, it will give you a 1 week holiday from the game, all expenses paid.

[Funky White Boy]

Most of the points already covered.

The most important ones for me would be that decension and kills MUST be one on one. Once descension attack from one player on another initiated all others locked out from trying to descend that player for at least 3 days ( conventional attacks could still be allowed). This is because the main server Alliances still operate here as I found out to my cost when I joined CFE just before the war with GA and got my account on ascended damaged from alliance based attacks.

Rank modifier based on Life Force should be in place to stop higher ranks from preying on the small recently ascended.

Off Topic Points
Clear Server of the inactive ascension accounts, if no activity or on Vac Mode for 6 weeks or more then freeze account and remove from Cosmos. If become active then unfreeze.
Get rid of Cosmic Trade button because most regular players of ascended don't seem to want a market. Maybe have a button that allows the ascended being to help the physical plane ie using ascended Life force to give a special weapon or technology ( Just a thought)

[12agnar0k]

........The problem of people just sitting on vacation in ascension:
Solution
2 - Vacation in Ascension = Loss of Ascended Bonuses in Main - think of it as 'the God has deserted its followers'.

That is a frigingly good idea. Doesnt affect anybody who is stronger in one server and does not need to vacate on it for 2 weeks because they know they arent gonna get attacked but on the other server they know they have to.

Loss of main bonuses for vacating on asc stops the abuse ive seen so far with no draw backs,
(ofcourse it might affect the people who vacate on asc for a holdiay but can go without vacation in main , there defense drops they becoem vunerable, but it stops 99% of abusers and 1% of these people because hardly anyone is unmassable in main

[Tok`ra]

Off Topic Point
Clear Server of the inactive ascension accounts, if no activity or on Vac Mode for 6 weeks or more then freeze account and remove from Cosmos. If become active then unfreeze.

Id like that, have those that are inactive in ascended server get frozen and unable to be deascended (or become resource farms, making it even more intersting)

[12agnar0k]

you have been descended!
as your realm plummets into chaos from your collapse, your only memories are of what happened last in your state of godliness.

<insert last battle log here>

you only hope your realm is more settled when you're able to regain the strength to return in <21> days.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

That is a great idea psi , 3 weeks is a bit long if they were too gain 0 resources in this time but if they gain half there resources it would be ok i guess, maybe 2 weeks would be long enough tho, i also suggest that turn production not be hamperd , maybe even increased to (on the otherside of the situation) allow the deascended being easier revenge on there attacker if they have the power to do so.

The Cosmic Market goes against everythign ascension currently stands for and spiritually stands for.

Currently in ascension turns are very precious , using them is something players think about before doing, the ability to cheaply buy mroe and more turns , where yes mroe people would play asc due to it being mroe liek main, lol, but it'd ruin the ascension game for many of us, we'd have ot start buying turns e.t.c, leave this in main or there will be lots mroe deascentions lol.
Also it stands against the principles of ascension, one works , VERY HARD to gain any kind of power in ascension over the rest of the game, through Ascensions, clever use of raiding with turns and also a high cosmic fleet production. To simply buy turns with main resources as people currently but rarely buy dmu altho this time on a MASS SCALE due to all the inactives vacation nubs having 2k, would ruin the game. And destroy the legend of ascension power is earned not brought,