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Wolf359 wrote:When will people realise it is not high caps or empires that have 'ruined' the game.

Firstly, you can never, ever introduce something that will stop empires - so why even bother discussing it?

Second - caps is not the problem - a certain number of updates were, specifically:

1 - Making UU unkillable
2 - Raid
3 - The Market - or more specifically the artificially produced bottomless pit of AT.

Now these things on their own are not the cause - but put 2 or all of them together and we can easily see how we have arrived at the situation we have today.

The ONLY way to rectify the situation, in my opinion is to remove artificially produced AT from the in-game market and the only AT in the game should be that produced by the players. And, possibly, make UU/miners killable again. This would make AT a truly valuable commodity (which it should be) and force players to think about how to use them, and consider the consequences of how they use them - at the moment limitless AT are taken for granted - and that is the root cause of the state of the game - whether you like it or not.

Raid itself is good - but coupled with the limitless AT and unkillable UU has destroyed the game, by making it no longer a game, but simply who is willing to raid the most.

However, too many people who have invested too much real money in the game - or make too much real money from the game - will always complain about this. BUT, it is the ONLY way to rectify the situation - other 'updates' - i.e. caps etc, have been introduced to try and rectify th efolly of these previous updates - and I think we all know that the rectifications have failed.

Will it ever happen - I doubt it - for the reason above, and also that too many people like things the way they are in the game - EASY!

Seker wrote:One solution to make wars winnable would be to make each time you train a miner to make it a lifer. This would stop people from putting large stores of UU into miners.

Also this would make them either keep their UU out

Seker wrote:or put it into areas that can be massed

TacticalCommander wrote:I agree with Brdavs analysis that the games has to change or it will die anyway.

Another thing that is killing this game though, is the fact that people started complaining about how small players can't catch up or they don't benefit right away from any update.

2 yrs ago, the admin implemented Motherships. They cost 450mil naq, at the time, that was A LOT of naq, but you know what, most people didn't care. Everyone was just over joyed with the fact they could get a MS and the fact you could individually name your own personal MS was just Gold. And for next months or so, Mother ships were a chief way for players to recruit new officers by promising them a MS. Sure there were maybe a few complainers, but nobody care about them.

If the admin tried to implement that today, 90% of all he would get would be people complaining about how they couldn't afford it, or the big player builds a better one...blah blah blah.

Even I have fallen victim to this mentality a little, where good updates for the game, are shot down because they benefit big players more.

Well guess what, EVERYTHING BENEFITS BIG PLAYERS MORE....
Big players can build bigger UPS,
Big players can build higher strikes, defenses, coverts, etc
Bigger players could do bigger ascensions
Even the CAPS tend to benefit all but the largest players in some way.

Whats next? We removing parts of the game piece by piece because they benefit bigger players more?

Do you think twice about whether to spend the naq to train a few hundred Super Soldiers? I remember the times when I would. Back when 89,000 naq for a soldier was expensive, and training a bunch was not taken likely, especially at the risk of them being massed. Unless you were a very big player, you thought about those things. Now, small, big, you probably don't think more beyond, do I want the stat increase, or do I want these as miners, and probably doing so in quantities of 10k's, not mere hundreds.

Chief point here is, just because it mostly benefits big players now, it maybe in common use by even the smallest of players eventually. Look at technologies, nobody even thinks about the cost to buy those anymore...unless you built your UP really high and then decided you wanted merc techs...

Having updates that make the game more fun, is more important than "does it only benefit big players?" I'm all for updates that do help small a little more than big, but just because it only benefits big players is no reason to shoot down a good idea. Besides, as shown with MotherShips, if something is too far out of reach at first for small players, big players will start using them to recruit officers, or as rewards to loyal officers.

TC

Tok`ra wrote:Chris, isnt the far better option to simply make a second main server that does not reset, thus allowing those who wish to continue in the old main, and the rest to play in a new server ?


Killable UUs is a poor idea, it will be abused, at least now you can recover from a massing/war if you built your account intellegently.

ATs SHOULD be limited, amd a new cap on AT extablished.

3x48x7= 1008 AT a week.

Now, raise it to 6 ATs a turn, and thats 2016 AT a week, HOWEVER if the new ATcap is made to be 2016 (or just 2000 for simplicities sake) that means that while you can spend 2k AT a week, it takes an entire week to get that many.

It thus forces people to think a LOT More before using their AT, becasue they are VERY limited (just like in assencion), which will force people to consider wars more carefully.

MEZZANINE wrote:I agree that limiting AT use is a very bad idea........but we should get a lot more ATs on the Marketplace and less in the Blackmarket, current rates are clearly for making money not gameplay.

I'd like to see,

1 ) Increase AT production from 3 to 5 per turn

2 ) Increase MT's from 3 to 5 per week

3 ) Increase number of Merlin days and ATs you can buy per trade

4 ) Auto-vacation mode for all accounts inactive for 1 month and auto-deletion of accounts inactive for 3 months

5 ) Ability for MS & fleets to defend planets ( Why not since they can attack them )

6 ) MS fleets either more effective in massing or not launched in massing

7 ) No defense limiting Naq / UP production to stop farm wars and 'No Def' warfare.

8 ) More uses for G&R points ( Possible trade option ) to make rank worth competing and fighting for.

9 ) Possible auto-repair option to set by choice so MS will repair from funds in your bank after each attack / defense

10 ) A new variety of weapons with the current best weapons as the weakest and several more powerful and more expensive new weapons.

[AK]Avenger wrote:i say we let "Stargate Wars" die and the game be renamed to...

"Stargate Who Can Raid The Most Army So They Can Catch upto The Big Guys Coz Its Not Fair That i Started Playing This Game 2 Weeks Ago And i Don't Have 100 Mill Army yet Wars" (end sarcasm)

i know its a bit of a mouthful but thats what some people seem to be asking for by advocating raiding and limitless attack. so, the name of the game needs to change to better reflect what type of game this is!

TIF wrote:Remove the market, and then do a game reset.

[AK]Avenger wrote:

Seker wrote:One solution to make wars winnable would be to make each time you train a miner to make it a lifer. This would stop people from putting large stores of UU into miners.

Also this would make them either keep their UU out

that option is not viable since attacks are limitless people will just destroy your def to get to the UU. so really your only left with just 1 option...this 1...

Seker wrote:or put it into areas that can be massed

i don't see that option working at all coz there are just to many moany gits on these boards.

the only viable solution is to remove limitless attacks from the game and to get rid of the send turns feature of SS....

but because we have the 2 week old newbie complaining how its just so unfair he will never catch anyone who has over 100 mil army in less than a month and those that have the need to wage unwinnable wars i doubt we will get whats needed!

High Empty wrote:Lol that's cause all the ones oppose are gone.

ME i'm oppose to limited turns. PERIOD WOLF

However, i'm very willing to remove artifical turns. So in effect limited, since turns will shoot up around 250-500% in price in a very short time, ( note that ontop of the 50% price increase i for see due to the caps being raised).

So we limit turns, and gets the turns CAPs back to 100k, Since at one point it was unlimited.

LOL maybe we do alittle Q, and have the USS give a % of your UP in turns. Theres a money maker.

Ok back on point,
The KEY ISSUE IS THIS

SOMETHING NEW IS NEEDED, not a fix, but something new, everyone complains about planets, but damn, they still are something to spend naq on, Well i'm looking for something else, i mean sure getting level 34 sounds great, but well it's just a waste at the moment. No what i want, is for someone to come up with something new.

From, the all new brain unit, where you kill off 1mil lifers, and you can convert their power into a 1% bonus in, attack defence, something.

To the completely new spacestation systems that's massively boosts production on planets, after certain parts are reseach, however since this is a Per CAP adata issue, the more UP you have the more costly the upgrade. Or you have the blackhole generater, that allows you to invert your stats, while it's on. Making your strike your defence, and you defence your strike, your AC your covert and your covert your AC, on the downsides you can use this on yourself or anyone else LOL! Making it that much more important that you keep all your stats well and even.

ME i'm oppose to limited turns. PERIOD WOLF

However, i'm very willing to remove artifical turns. So in effect limited, since turns will shoot up around 250-500% in price in a very short time, ( note that ontop of the 50% price increase i for see due to the caps being raised).

law7441 wrote:well I played these game for when it was only 7months old and uu was never killable, unless at the beginning it was, personally I quit if miners or uu was killable, because large alliance would have even more power than ever before and all the time people put in will be destroy with few hours or days, as for raiding and market I agree with you there. and not even update is bad, it just you don't want to work on something else, MS and anti-covert are pretty good updates.

Apophis wrote:killable uu - very bad idea (teaming up on a player and boom his/her account is nothing, not to mention he could have spent cash)

Apophis ™ wrote:killable uu - very bad idea (teaming up on a player and boom his/her account is nothing, not to mention he could have spent cash)