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You keep talking about cost ratios, but that is kinda the point, you are not "costing" us anything, our combined UP's are more than you kill, let alone the naq income and what we can raid/farm. You're sitting with no stats with a third of your alliance (how's your Brother you left DDE to fight with doing on that extended Vacation mode btw Chewy?) on vacation mode and every excuse under the sun thrown out with the exception of "I'm posting on behalf of X, who is sadly in hospital in a Coma"...

Honestly keep it up, every day the rest of the server sees how little there is to fear from Mayhem and how awesome the TAF teamwork is. Funny thing is Mh had to draught in a DDE merc to do 30% of the work, that really sums it all up.

I just feel sorry for Ben after he put in so much effort to try and get Mh to the top of the game and you all repay him by pussing out onto VM and/or going inactive 1st sign of a challenge.

Props to DR, Bioflick and Chewy for putting in the effort, rest of you, bleh, very disappointing.

Maybe you should speak to the excuse makers and get a time period where they might actually be able to log in and produce some effort and ask us for a fixed term war during this time, that would at least give some sort of meaning to this, well, i'll say war, but it really isn't...

Norbe, with your big empire issues might be solvable, but they're not "easily resolved". TAF is probably the worst empire to deal with on diplomatic issues The "gimme nap" drabble is there a lot.

Though people would be fools to deny TAF's excellency in teamwork.

Brother quite simply is writing semester tests this game comes 2nd to that anyday. Explained.

Sure some of the bigger accounts UP's have maybe covered the loses but I still see TAAE and TATS members decreasing in army size so maybe the UU should be passed around cause technically most of the people we have massed in theory have not got the UU back sure TAF may have but those people individually dont have the units.

Don't talk about farming and raiding please it made me chuckle TAF is GLORIOUS farms absolutely insane farms and raiding targets its like heaven. Oh and your planets GAWD dont get me started on those bad boys

mayHem did not ask for me to join I applied and I spoke to both Math and Kikaz about it had either said no I would not be in mayHem as I don't have any bad blood with TAF or never have as well to date.

Yes big accounts aren't falling but yes your small and ascending players and even some big ones are actually falling and suffering loses We have nothing to lose stats wise as you can see yet you do thats why people are getting agitated sure it is boring but hey as I said it seems TAF started it For good reasons (it seems) but nonetheless it is how it is, lets just keep the ball rolling

And yes TAF teamwork is scary just utterly scary as I told Math.

Shot for the props by the way

Cheers
~Belsamber~

Of course some people's A/S's are dropping, why would an ascender want to keep a large army and make themselves a better farm in war time?

As for the planets then we are not the only ones to have lost some mighty fine specimins in that area lol, tbh a lot of the duals you have been taking lately came from Mh in the 1st week, easy come, easy go

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Norbe wrote:Yes we are referring to the incident with DI being massed by bioflick.

And yes, Bio caught DI in the hour or so when he dropped tags to raid. However anyone who is massing should do their research on the target first. DI is a very well known player, and well known to be a TÅ HC member. The fact he was temporarily without tags does not mean you can simply mass him without question and hope that any agreement you have with TÅF prevents retaliation. Of course we will hit back if you mass our members.

DI upon seeing the massing, responded trying to defend himself in the first instance, as should be expected of anyone. The fact that he retaliated did not mean the incident was closed. Any attack on a TÅF member is an act of agression on TÅF as a whole, and will be dealt with as seen fit by TÅ HC.

I was AFK that week due to work, upon my return I heard what happened and spoke with Duderanch. And yes, you threatened to mass TÅF in that conversation. Those threats were backed up with the actions of mH moving house to obtain house war with TÅ. mH leadership promised war if we removed you from the war/war house. Thus the first strike (and war) was authorised by TA HC in response to the threats and agressive positioning by mH. Everything that followed is your own doing.

As we have always done, TÅF do not actively seek war. However we do not allow massings and threats to go unanswered, and we do respond aggressively and decisively when required. Infact, similarly to you, many of us also enjoy war when it does arrive.

We were even looking forward to it when it seemed war was likely. In my first post I mentioned our last 1v1 war with mH in 2008, which was a good fun war with lots of stats built on both sides. It ended after a few weeks on good terms. We hoped for a repeat of something similar; it hasn't happened. The sad thing is even with your insane account you are only capable of picking on TÅÅE, hardly touching those in TÅ and TÅTS. What is even sadder, is the showing from the rest of mH. I have not seen a defense bigger than a tril from anyone other than yourself and bioflick, even those are rare.

~Norbe~

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Some facts:
1) We only moved house because Don was AFK with his new job so we couldn't kick alliances from our house.
2) I spoke with you at least a week (although i think it was longer) on MSN before we moved in to TAAE's house, explained that we would most likely be moving there and that we had no interest in house control and that we wouldn't be there long, your response was thanking me. Absolutely nothing about it being seen as hostile towards TAF.
3) Not to hurt your Dads ego, but I've played this game for just over 6 years and i had never heard of him until he messaged me for 'over farming' TAAE, even then had no idea he was TAF HC. Not sure how a person who's played for a few months is supposed to know, he's not exactly a big forum presence.
4) Our only issue with TAF recently had been the constant crying about farming, even when within the terms of our DRA - The one you guys broke when you declared war by the way.
5) We are fighting against a lot of accounts, you haven't fought a war in quite a while so your big guys have stockpiles of resources, massing them wont hurt much, but can cost quite a bit. Massing your smaller guys is far more affective at hurting your empire as a whole than massing a 50trill defense.

@ Chacho - I've been up for nearly a day and a half now, it's got to that point that even though I'm exhausted i can't seem to get off to sleep so i decided to do some raiding, try and bore myself to sleep. I then remembered the dual i tried to take yesterday but couldn't because the 24hrs from taking another planet wasn't up, i built my MS and fleets and started massing, then you started hitting me, i had no defense and only a 5Tish strike and was in no condition for an onliner, even with a guy of your...skill. I knew BW was off PPT but didn't have a clue if he was online or not so i finished massing the dual PPT'd and sold my fleets.

Damn that was a long post.

How many cupcakes could you have made whilst creating that post?

Bitches love cupcakes.

Duderanch wrote:Bitches love cupcakes.

We sure do

Duderanch wrote:Bitches love cupcakes.

Damn straight

Now go get some sleep Dude and then.."make cupcakes"

Duderanch wrote:[spoiler]

Norbe wrote:Yes we are referring to the incident with DI being massed by bioflick.

And yes, Bio caught DI in the hour or so when he dropped tags to raid. However anyone who is massing should do their research on the target first. DI is a very well known player, and well known to be a TÅ HC member. The fact he was temporarily without tags does not mean you can simply mass him without question and hope that any agreement you have with TÅF prevents retaliation. Of course we will hit back if you mass our members.

DI upon seeing the massing, responded trying to defend himself in the first instance, as should be expected of anyone. The fact that he retaliated did not mean the incident was closed. Any attack on a TÅF member is an act of agression on TÅF as a whole, and will be dealt with as seen fit by TÅ HC.

I was AFK that week due to work, upon my return I heard what happened and spoke with Duderanch. And yes, you threatened to mass TÅF in that conversation. Those threats were backed up with the actions of mH moving house to obtain house war with TÅ. mH leadership promised war if we removed you from the war/war house. Thus the first strike (and war) was authorised by TA HC in response to the threats and agressive positioning by mH. Everything that followed is your own doing.

As we have always done, TÅF do not actively seek war. However we do not allow massings and threats to go unanswered, and we do respond aggressively and decisively when required. Infact, similarly to you, many of us also enjoy war when it does arrive.

We were even looking forward to it when it seemed war was likely. In my first post I mentioned our last 1v1 war with mH in 2008, which was a good fun war with lots of stats built on both sides. It ended after a few weeks on good terms. We hoped for a repeat of something similar; it hasn't happened. The sad thing is even with your insane account you are only capable of picking on TÅÅE, hardly touching those in TÅ and TÅTS. What is even sadder, is the showing from the rest of mH. I have not seen a defense bigger than a tril from anyone other than yourself and bioflick, even those are rare.

~Norbe~

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Some facts:
1) We only moved house because Don was AFK with his new job so we couldn't kick alliances from our house.
2) I spoke with you at least a week (although i think it was longer) on MSN before we moved in to TAAE's house, explained that we would most likely be moving there and that we had no interest in house control and that we wouldn't be there long, your response was thanking me. Absolutely nothing about it being seen as hostile towards TAF.
3) Not to hurt your Dads ego, but I've played this game for just over 6 years and i had never heard of him until he messaged me for 'over farming' TAAE, even then had no idea he was TAF HC. Not sure how a person who's played for a few months is supposed to know, he's not exactly a big forum presence.
4) Our only issue with TAF recently had been the constant crying about farming, even when within the terms of our DRA - The one you guys broke when you declared war by the way.
5) We are fighting against a lot of accounts, you haven't fought a war in quite a while so your big guys have stockpiles of resources, massing them wont hurt much, but can cost quite a bit. Massing your smaller guys is far more affective at hurting your empire as a whole than massing a 50trill defense.

@ Chacho - I've been up for nearly a day and a half now, it's got to that point that even though I'm exhausted i can't seem to get off to sleep so i decided to do some raiding, try and bore myself to sleep. I then remembered the dual i tried to take yesterday but couldn't because the 24hrs from taking another planet wasn't up, i built my MS and fleets and started massing, then you started hitting me, i had no defense and only a 5Tish strike and was in no condition for an onliner, even with a guy of your...skill. I knew BW was off PPT but didn't have a clue if he was online or not so i finished massing the dual PPT'd and sold my fleets.

Damn that was a long post.

For the 3mh players in this war im sure its great looking at so many defences and been able to pick who and what time to hit,for taf this is the most boring war yet,im not a pay to play person and work full time but still afder losing my 32 t def the very next day put a 18t def up,surely a pm to all your players saying can we build a defence once a week aint to hard,i think uve concentrated on people only with big accounts maybe some middle of the road players who are active are better then afk players.
ps cup cakes are bad carrot cakes the new cupcake.

Duderanch wrote:Bitches love cupcakes.

hmm... u making cupcakes.. when did that happen?? so that means u r in chaotic state hmm.. keep it up lulz..

Duderanch wrote:Some facts:
1) We only moved house because Don was AFK with his new job so we couldn't kick alliances from our house.
2) I spoke with you at least a week (although i think it was longer) on MSN before we moved in to TAAE's house, explained that we would most likely be moving there and that we had no interest in house control and that we wouldn't be there long, your response was thanking me. Absolutely nothing about it being seen as hostile towards TAF.
3) Not to hurt your Dads ego, but I've played this game for just over 6 years and i had never heard of him until he messaged me for 'over farming' TAAE, even then had no idea he was TAF HC. Not sure how a person who's played for a few months is supposed to know, he's not exactly a big forum presence.
4) Our only issue with TAF recently had been the constant crying about farming, even when within the terms of our DRA - The one you guys broke when you declared war by the way.
5) We are fighting against a lot of accounts, you haven't fought a war in quite a while so your big guys have stockpiles of resources, massing them wont hurt much, but can cost quite a bit. Massing your smaller guys is far more affective at hurting your empire as a whole than massing a 50trill defense.

Responses:
1) Not sure how a change of house would help, nor how it concerns us, but if you say so.
2) It is one thing to ask politely if you can move into a house whilst we are on friendly relations and have a no massing agreement. That would not have been a problem. It's something completely different to mass TÅF members, threaten war THEN move to an opposing house that grants war/war. Which is what you did.
3) Firstly, he has held TÅÅE leaders tag for a long time, but i'll play along and assume you were not paying attention. Let's run a simulation. So, you are a member of an alliance that lets people mass randomly, and you decide to randomly mass someone.. pick a random player in all of the ranks who has no tag. Okay, lets look at this guy "DeathIncarnator". Lets see.. quick forum search for "DeathIncarnator". 10 pages of results. Recent results, nominated for diplo of the year for TÅF. Active in wars, especially on ascended and credited with resolving several conflicts. There is even a post on the 2nd page of results by Femme Fetale that points out we are related. [sarcasm] Yup. It's impossible to tell anything about him.[/sarcasm].
Simply put, no matter what you say DI is well known enough that anyone doing even just a simple amount of research will have associated him with being TÅF. Bioflick failed to check, or was advised to mass regardless, and the result: this war and mH having no stats.
4) That goes both ways, you know as well as I do that there were members of mH also complaining about farming with the NMA we had in place.
5) If you are incapable of coping with our numbers, or taking on TÅ in a fair fight then I understand. The solution is simple: post a surrender, i'm sure TÅ HC will accept it.

~Norbe~

>> RepliScan of mH statistics.
>> 15 realms off PPT.
>> Defenses: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.
>> Total Defensive Potential: 0
>> #Spies in all realms <1m.
>> Motherships all destroyed or vacant.
>> RepliBlocks returning to prior fuctions.

Moving into house war after massing two TAF members will always be seen as an act of aggression. That's the way it is. As for me personally, I was convinced you all needed to get massed when you were gloating up and down this forum about your amazing massing of dead accounts. But as you can see, TAF doesn't mass for sport. We mass when threatened. No counter massings, aside from DI's ac'ing of bioflick, occurred until the final threat. That's something everyone should remember...

I will always have a serious problem with alliances getting their jollies by massing noobs who have done nothing to them. You might think you are so high and mighty and you can claim six ways to Sunday that they had superior fighting power to you guys, but they lacked the levels and especially the resources and coordination to make a dent. Look for yourself at how you were begging people to fight back, offering resources if people built up to attack you, then of course massing the crap out of them back down when you saw anyone try. That's not a war. That's not training your alliance to fight better. That's just bullying those that can't defend themselves. The number of targets in this game to produce a real war have shrunk dramatically. OE, DDE, TAF, Mayhem, FS, Rico's, TL. That's basically the list if you want something epic to happen and even then as we have seen, people don't always have the resources to fight long drawn out battles. That's the way of this game now I suppose.

I guess that's what is most disappointing about this war. You guys were the rank two alliance with big beefed up accounts and prancing about talking about how amazing you are in the forums, on msn, to anyone who would listen. But when faced with a real challenge, instead of meeting it head on like you would have in the past, you curled up in a ball and are waiting for it to end. You can talk all you want about the tactics of a sniper style of offense. Take from the opponent, give nothing back and that's all well and good, but remember that was our style of play back in the day, not yours. And between you and me, I know what it really means, and it does not mean victory...it just means prolonging defeat hoping for a better outcome.

You can say our training alliance members might have more to lose and in some ways you are correct. Regrowing 100 mil uu might take some of them a long time. Alas, that is the price of war and we will help those that listen to become better fighters, defenders and get back on their feet as we always have. Duderanch has incredible kills this war and is a testament to the power of his account and the skill with which he uses it. A fair few of the Mayhem members will have quite nice kill:loss ratios thanks to double strike massing attempts while phased and that's a testament to your knowledge of the game. That doesn't make this a war though.

I still say this war should end and we should move on with our lives, with the right terms of course. There's no point continuing it and that's not because you are aggravating us with nothing to kill in response. That's a common misconception actually...you see while boring in some aspects, it really does make my life a lot easier to not have to give out 50 war settings each day or be pushed to find resources to bring down 100 tril defenses. The biggest threat that happened to us in the OE vs TAF war? When they all built HUGE and we had to scramble to find ways to break their log coverage and bring them down. Granted with double strike and phasing, it's a different time now, but that's how the ball bounces. No difference between massing a 20 bil defense and a 20 tril defense. If it gets done, the enemy has lost their stats. Well I guess the only difference is it costs us a whole lot less to do it.

If you want to keep this war going to protect your pride and try to hit us back until you've evened the score, go right ahead. It will probably take quite a long time unless things change considerably. I'd recommend instead, for the good of all of us so we can move on with our lives, just admit that this wasn't your best war and we had more fighting power this time around. It's not that hard and anyone out there watching already knows that score. There's no shame in admitting the truth if it means your alliance can begin the process of rebuilding sooner.

well said Mathlord one mH member has surprised me with how good a fighter he is but lets face it he cant fight a whole Alliance on his own. mH should say enough is enough and admit that you are 2nd best this time. Its been great fun tho