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The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:28 pm
by Dark Lord Shaitan
Some how, this player has enough turns, to jump to normal realm, come back to perg, mass one player. At which point he was down to three AT. Then mass another player. Granted, there are the MTs you can use, but it all seems a bit fishy.
Now, if he is innocent than Iwill apologize here, but if he isnt............
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:04 pm
by ThunderCat
Maybe he had a perg buddy brokering him turns. He leaves perg, spends MTs in main, comes back to perg, receives turns his buddy already had stored and masses one guy, then gets more turns and masses another.
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:16 pm
by mantra
You can't broker while in pergatory, and when you move to pergatory, all your turns are converted to naq.(You can't even buy turns with real $$
Now, the only way to gain turns would be to use the market this way:
Use ALL market turns (3 quantities) in exchange for 1,680 non-transferrable turns
Thats actually what I did when I remade my account(deleted old and remade new)
1 spy, 3 attackers(I think)
Move to perg
Trade market turns for attack turns
Raid and plunder Middle people with no spy defense and a lot of resources, there's a lot of those so, easy targets.
In his case thats probably what he used, he turned in his market turns for over 1600 turns to mass a few players, probably more then one too.
Funny thing is I got massed by some guy the day before I got enough glory to ascend -.- Now I have to work my way back up to ascend "."
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:51 am
by Batz
Well i am the other player whom general severon speaks of...and I am also his CO which means I can see his logs as well as mine and well i done a little counting of AT's used:
On myself :1290
On General severon:1722
So in total he managed to use 3012 AT's on both of us, and if he went into main in between attacking us or even at all in this time it would be impossible for him to use that amount of turns surely?
Also I am not completely completely sure on this as I haven't spoken to him yet but another member of our alliance also had people attacking this player after he had wiped us out. I will find out if he retaliated to any of these attacks and if he did well then there is surely something going on here.
Edit: I missed that when i done my first recon on him he had 1176 AT's before he started massing us but that still leaves us with 1836 AT's now if we take the turns off from the market it would still leave us with...1836-1680 = 156 unexplained AT's and not counting the turns he would have needed IF he moved into main which adds another 750 onto those turns...so adding all this up with him moving to main as general severon claims there are currently 906 unexplained turns used....not to mention if my friend gets back to me and tells me that he massed him and his mates as well...all in the same night.
Edit: He also used about 2500 turns on a few other people who helped us mass him straight after he massed us back.
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:16 am
by Almost38
went to main bought turns and broker was accpet while he was in perg or he used two weeks of the non-transferrable turns which would be 3360
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:55 am
by Batz
Almost38 wrote:went to main bought turns and broker was accpet while he was in perg or he used two weeks of the non-transferrable turns which would be 3360
neither are possible since if you have a broker in main and move to perg the broker must be accepted or canceled before you leave main(i've tried it) and the market resets each week so you can't use 2 weeks worth in one go...I don't think...
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:59 am
by Almost38
he used this week and last weeks
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:16 am
by thelord
hi sry for late reply, my friend just find this topic and report it to me!
let me explain how i play this game...
General Severon wrote:Some how, this player has enough turns, to jump to normal realm, come back to perg, mass one player. At which point he was down to three AT. Then mass another player. Granted, there are the MTs you can use, but it all seems a bit fishy.
Now, if he is innocent than Iwill apologize here, but if he isnt............
1. I did jump to normal, because i need some UUs and Naq to mass you and your CO because of your actions against me!
I was in G&R rank right before some one raid me and kill my 10bil def., it was not you 2 but someone else (wardyward)!
You kill little less than 4mil my spies while i have 0 def. and spend around 1800k ATs.
Batz only help you with sabbing me.
You lost your 300bil def. and around 3mil spies and Batz lose his 120bil def. and little less spies than you! I spend around 3000 ATs just like u say.
2. I am in perg from the begining of the pergatory existenc, i ussualy have trained about 10bil def., 150bil strike and 650bil covert, because i dont make bilions per turn but i farm them. I keep low defence because everytime i farm someone im risking beeing massed!
I use 3 MTs EVERY week to gain personal turns, i have still few k of them prepared for yours planets!
Batz wrote:Well i am the other player whom general severon speaks of...and I am also his CO which means I can see his logs as well as mine and well i done a little counting of AT's used:
On myself :1290
On General severon:1722
So in total he managed to use 3012 AT's on both of us, and if he went into main in between attacking us or even at all in this time it would be impossible for him to use that amount of turns surely?
Also I am not completely completely sure on this as I haven't spoken to him yet but another member of our alliance also had people attacking this player after he had wiped us out. I will find out if he retaliated to any of these attacks and if he did well then there is surely something going on here.
Edit: I missed that when i done my first recon on him he had 1176 AT's before he started massing us but that still leaves us with 1836 AT's now if we take the turns off from the market it would still leave us with...1836-1680 = 156 unexplained AT's and not counting the turns he would have needed IF he moved into main which adds another 750 onto those turns...so adding all this up with him moving to main as general severon claims there are currently 906 unexplained turns used....not to mention if my friend gets back to me and tells me that he massed him and his mates as well...all in the same night.
Everything explained above ^^^
Batz wrote:Edit: He also used about 2500 turns on a few other people who helped us mass him straight after he massed us back.
Now i must call u a LIAR because i only mass you 2 and nobody else in your alliance. AND nobody exept General Severon mass me (killed my spies).
Batz DONT lie in public, because all of your alliance will sufer because of you and i will make that happend! I promise
Now i expect one big apologize from you 2 and i promise that only you 2 will sufer (if i will find some time to happen)!
Thats all folks
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:28 am
by Batz
thelord wrote:Now i must call u a LIAR because i only mass you 2 and nobody else in your alliance. AND nobody exept General Severon mass me (killed my spies).
Batz DONT lie in public, because all of your alliance will sufer because of you and i will make that happend! I promise
Now i expect one big apologize from you 2 and i promise that only you 2 will sufer (if i will find some time to happen)!
Thats all folks
I am not apologizing for something i was told by one of my alliance members....and I never said you massed anymore of my alliance members....I tell it as i hear it my friend and if i was misinformed then so be it. But there's still something i don't like about this....it just feels wrong
Also if you jump from perg to main that requires 750 AT's and then you come back you would have none so then you bought them off the market which is fair enough...but some how still doesn't quick seem right to me
Edit: I have just had a message back from an alliance member when i explained to the alliance what was going on....and well...
Message text:
thats no problem... btw, a friend of mine figured out how to hack naq into SGW.... id imagine the same technique (sql injection - google it) could be used to generate turns...
I think it explains itself...can we please get a check on that
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:41 am
by thelord
Earendil wrote:IF you did jump into norm that ALL of your turns would of been reset i believe (could be wrong)
Not ALL turns gets resets only those who generate every turn, personal ATs generated by MTs stays if u change realms!
Batz wrote:thelord wrote:Now i must call u a LIAR because i only mass you 2 and nobody else in your alliance. AND nobody exept General Severon mass me (killed my spies).
Batz DONT lie in public, because all of your alliance will sufer because of you and i will make that happend! I promise
Now i expect one big apologize from you 2 and i promise that only you 2 will sufer (if i will find some time to happen)!
Thats all folks
I am not apologizing for something i was told by one of my alliance members....and I never said you massed anymore of my alliance members....I tell it as i hear it my friend and if i was misinformed then so be it. But there's still something i don't like about this....it just feels wrong
Also if you jump from perg to main that requires 750 AT's and then you come back you would have none so then you bought them off the market which is fair enough...but some how still doesn't quick seem right to me
Who is your alliance member and whats is his prove... he must have some that you can believe him...
Batz wrote:Edit: I have just had a message back from an alliance member when i explained to the alliance what was going on....and well...
Message text:
thats no problem... btw, a friend of mine figured out how to hack naq into SGW.... id imagine the same technique (sql injection - google it) could be used to generate turns...
I think it explains itself...can we please get a check on that
If soo please report your friends friend for beeing a hacker and cheater, why you then accussing me for that? If i were a hacker, believe me my acc. will be way better than it is and your acc. will be deleted b4 mass
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:17 am
by Clarkey
thelord wrote:Not ALL turns gets resets only those who generate every turn, personal ATs generated by MTs stays if u change realms!
This is true, ATs generated from MTs do not dissapear when going to perg.
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:36 pm
by Batz
thelord wrote:If soo please report your friends friend for beeing a hacker and cheater, why you then accussing me for that? If i were a hacker, believe me my acc. will be way better than it is and your acc. will be deleted b4 mass
report my friend for being a hacker when he has reported the bug himself? yeah like that makes sense. And fair enough clarkey
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:59 pm
by Dark Lord Shaitan
Now, I never said you were definately a hacker, as the topic says, possible game hacker. To me it seems a bit fishy, so I report it. That is all. When admin gets to this, then as I said in my primary post, I will apologize if innocent, but if not then I wont need to. Basically, just putting it to admins judgement, nothing else.
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:33 am
by Almost38
the lord catch me on msn
Almost38@gmail.com
Re: The Lord: 1909828 possible game hacker
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:08 pm
by Batz
Almost...I am curious to what you want with this player?