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I am a daimon ingame, and I miss the special technology for my race. I read in the updates that maybe we will got one in future.
I have some idea for it, I don't give them stupid names I just write down the basic things, how they works.

Tech. idea 1.: because the race has got doubled losses in battle I think that it would be good when a daimon attack someone and win, with the naquadah he steal, he could have got some % of the enemy's UU. If the enemy has 100k UU out, the daimon after one succesful attack (15-AT) could raid for example 1k UU-s in the same time. (If the % is 1% >>> I am not sure in that, the % can be higher or lower..)

Tech. idea 2.: in every battle they have some % chance for reduce or miss their doubled losses in battle.

Tech. idea 3.: they have some % chance for that the enemy will be unable to use all of it's defense or strike power. (for example the enemy who have 100b strike or def., would have only 75b.)

I think something that fits the 'theme' works best.

The daimon tech is that for each level of upgrade (3 total like everything else) should increase death rates in attack/defense but in response, better 'attack' or defensive action during attack or defense. Small boost to the random percent modifier like 1 or 2 percent each level.

NO, the whole point of being punished for being a Daimon is because the account is not favored by the ascended beings, thus are not worthy, we had this long drawn out discussion months ago when admin was introducing this.

maybe a tech suicide bombers. Idea: a part of you attack force is used as suicide bombers, kind of rambo's, and they cause double (or another amount) the amount dead they normally would, but they die, those aren't extra deaths for you but for the others force (they drew the enemy's from your for, but they were destined to die in other words, they died but kept a part of the enemy's attack away from the main force).

That's also the reason why the daimon where kicked out of ascended, suicide bombing doesn't cope with being an ascended being.

This is how I think it should work in calculations:

first calculate normal battle (except calculating the other persons death rate).
attack strength = normal attack strength * (1+ (death rate * percentage)/total force)
with the percentage the amount of extra damage the death guy does multiplied buy the percentage of death guys that do this type of damage
calculate the death rates for the opponent

this would pose a couple of Questions:
what percentages would this be
what would happen in daimon vs daimon battle?
should they also get this while deffending
would this happen all the time, or just as ascended blessing once in a while (upgradeable by the tech)?



Possible little twist:

special suicide battle:
standard death rate, the daimon would get the naq or uu on attack (or maybe just a part)
if:
his offensive power is at least 10% of the defense
And he would normally lose the battle (more than 20% of the opponents deffence strength), other wise there would be a normal battle between the forces.


idea behind it:
The enemy forces are buzzy with taking out the suicide bombers, and can there for not halt the rest of the force. The enemy would lose 1 defender for each bomber.


edit 2 (10-6-08): making the first part more readable, and understandable, minor adjustment to the orriginal in for of adding extra percentage

edit: @GeneralChaos

this is the quote from the game updates from main:

Daimon. Your main account will keep the ascension bonuses you have now, minus the ascended blessing, although suffer 2x the casualities in battle and earn no glory. There may be a 'bonus and penelty' added to this race in near future, that both hurts you and your enemy to a more or less equal degree. What this is is not yet determined. If you do not want to risk not liking a future update on this race, do not take it yet..(The ascended account is of course gone...)

so it might be added, the admin might change his mind if he sees a good idea.

Laar wrote: so it might be added, the admin might change his mind if he sees a good idea.

hope he will see one..

Yeah I know, and I still very like it! I just wanted to tell some of my ideas.

Let's get back on topic,

Dexx, I like the first and the third idea the most.
Though in case of the first idea it might be good to add that you can't raid more than you lose? or is the punishment of the dying of large quantities of men large enough.

second idea,don't think that's a "proper" solution, think another tech is a better idea, and it might be better to be "punished" always and know what you're up to.

Don't have formed an opinion the third really, though it sound as a good one, I think 3/4 of their defense is a good part (that would also decrease your losses in those battles by 3/4).

Laar wrote:Though in case of the first idea it might be good to add that you can't raid more than you lose?

yeah, nice idea, it would give a maximum amunt of the stealable UUs for the attack

Tech. idea 1.: because the race has got doubled losses in battle I think that it would be good when a daimon attack someone and win, with the naquadah he steal, he could have got some % of the enemy's UU. If the enemy has 100k UU out, the daimon after one succesful attack (15-AT) could raid for example 1k UU-s in the same time. (If the % is 1% >>> I am not sure in that, the % can be higher or lower..)


So you want to steal UU from someone for you being banished from the ascended realm, right, so then what happens when you take someone with a 250mill army, then they decide to descend themselves and go farming?


Tech. idea 2.: in every battle they have some % chance for reduce or miss their doubled losses in battle.


This idea maybe, i could see that maybe it works as a reverse ascended blessing, say 10% chance that on an attack that you do, you will not take double losses.

Tech. idea 3.: they have some % chance for that the enemy will be unable to use all of it's defense or strike power. (for example the enemy who have 100b strike or def., would have only 75b.)


So now you want to punish the players who want to stay ascended by making there def/attack 25% less on an attack, thats kind of unfair isnt it?

I still think overall, there should be no bonus for Daimon races, your not worthy of the ascended realm, thus should have no bonus's.

The thing I wanted is not exactly a bonus, it would be better to call it a chance to lower the punishment.

Very nice ideas

Tech. idea 2.: in every battle they have some % chance for reduce or miss their doubled losses in battle.

Just getting this Thread Noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GeneralChaos wrote:Tech. idea 1.: because the race has got doubled losses in battle I think that it would be good when a daimon attack someone and win, with the naquadah he steal, he could have got some % of the enemy's UU. If the enemy has 100k UU out, the daimon after one succesful attack (15-AT) could raid for example 1k UU-s in the same time. (If the % is 1% >>> I am not sure in that, the % can be higher or lower..)


So you want to steal UU from someone for you being banished from the ascended realm, right, so then what happens when you take someone with a 250mill army, then they decide to descend themselves and go farming?

However, they'll lose half of their ascended bonus to stats and if they ever wanted to ascend again they would have to switch races, earn g&r and start from a prior again. They'll also lose access to the ascension server, though I'm not sure if people would see that as a disadvantage.

Either way there would be disadvantages, it's just whether they balance the advantages enough so that it it's fair. As a note, I'm not sure if Daimon's do ascend to priors, or to their previous level, though I'm fairly sure they're meant to start again from a prior.

My suggestion would be along the lines of giving them a type of ascended blessing, though making it a bit more 'volatile'. eg. 5% chance to do 3x damage.

Or maybe, seeing as they are descended from the realm, a half-god (maybe not too unlike Anubis), they should get an Ascended Blessing they have more control over. eg. 50% chance to do 1.1x damage.

The name would have to change, something along the lines of 'Shadow Blessing' or whatever .

Daimons arent worthy of ascended realms? They choose themselves to descend themselves so how arent they not worthy? Maybe if you watched the show you may see that Anubis wasnt worthy and was knocked out of asscension but there were times were other ascended beings choose to do this to help human kind, like that episode with priors and stuff.

So IMO i think Daimons are worthy of something.