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Who's the best empire around? and why do you think so?
Develop your arguments on the choice.
If I forgot any empire I'm sorry! :p

Obviously we already had this thread like, 5 times? In the past 2 weeks.

Omega Empire: organisation, backing each other up, Mordack, my good and brave CO, and cookies.

No guess for who I vote I believe

Polls are always a bad thing.

1) People Vote for their favourite and members will vote for theirs so it goes down to popularity and automatically voids the idea and question being asked. The answer you will recieve will essentially be pointless.
2) People will vote instead of explaining why and then use poll numbers as an argument or as vindication for their empire.

What you should do is have no poll and instead ask the question so people have to explain why they think so. Not just say one or two words, but explain why they are using those terms.

Organisation, Activity, Skill, Range, Image, Wealth.

Communication/Organisation: How well the empire works as a whole as sometimes large empires can be an unwieldy collection of accounts rather then a efficent military unit. Even if active, having no structure means they can't make full use of their activity, nor enjoy the benefits of efficient teamwork.

Current Activity: How active an empire is, how active their players are on a whole. No point having infrastructure and large walls if the nightwatchmen are asleep.

Military prowess/Responce: How capable they are in using their account for military purposes to maintain their way or views. How successful they have been in campaigns, if they are able to bring adequate force to take on an enemy, how skillful or trained are the individuals in it or if they are relient entirely on overwhelming force.

Power Projection: How able are they to reach out to an enemy on all fronts. While massing and knowing how to use the account is fine, an enemy needs to feel like someone can get him, his friends and everything he holds dear. They need to feel that there is no escape and that people realise just what they risk losing or provoking when they touch a member of said empire. That is an empire needs to be able to reach someone on all servers, realms, areas and down any stat with nothing outside of their reach and that people need to realise that for it to act as a natural deterant.

Diplomacy and Politics: How capable is an empire in stargatewars outside of ingame mechanics. That is how well do they deal with situations, how well does their image play to their favour (Loved or feared are both beneficial), how the information game and forums allows them to advance, diffuse situations (through negotiations or force), extent of its alliance networks, contact networks, associates, ties, friendships.

Endurance & Attrition: How capable is an empire to survive in attrition. How wealthy it is, how long can it go on in difficult situations and simply outlast its opponents. How wealthy it is in resourcse to keep going ingame but more importantly how wealthy it is in spirit and moral and energy.

Most of these points are ignored and you'll normally get a "because they're the best/because they're strong etc" style answers if any answer at all. So these thread never give you a proper indepth look into the wider context of why an empire is the best. Which one is more capable at one thing or weaker at another as there is no single stat that determines which is the better.

Failing the above, you can always rename the question to which empire is the most popular and keep the poll

Another one of these...

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TLE

they will soon prove it.

Adophis your nose sure is brown...

Only kidding...

Severian wrote:Polls are always a bad thing.

1) People Vote for their favourite and members will vote for theirs so it goes down to popularity and automatically voids the idea and question being asked. The answer you will recieve will essentially be pointless.
2) People will vote instead of explaining why and then use poll numbers as an argument or as vindication for their empire.

What you should do is have no poll and instead ask the question so people have to explain why they think so. Not just say one or two words, but explain why they are using those terms.

Organisation, Activity, Skill, Range, Image, Wealth.

Communication/Organisation: How well the empire works as a whole as sometimes large empires can be an unwieldy collection of accounts rather then a efficent military unit. Even if active, having no structure means they can't make full use of their activity, nor enjoy the benefits of efficient teamwork.

Current Activity: How active an empire is, how active their players are on a whole. No point having infrastructure and large walls if the nightwatchmen are asleep.

Military prowess/Responce: How capable they are in using their account for military purposes to maintain their way or views. How successful they have been in campaigns, if they are able to bring adequate force to take on an enemy, how skillful or trained are the individuals in it or if they are relient entirely on overwhelming force.

Power Projection: How able are they to reach out to an enemy on all fronts. While massing and knowing how to use the account is fine, an enemy needs to feel like someone can get him, his friends and everything he holds dear. They need to feel that there is no escape and that people realise just what they risk losing or provoking when they touch a member of said empire. That is an empire needs to be able to reach someone on all servers, realms, areas and down any stat with nothing outside of their reach and that people need to realise that for it to act as a natural deterant.

Diplomacy and Politics: How capable is an empire in stargatewars outside of ingame mechanics. That is how well do they deal with situations, how well does their image play to their favour (Loved or feared are both beneficial), how the information game and forums allows them to advance, diffuse situations (through negotiations or force), extent of its alliance networks, contact networks, associates, ties, friendships.

Endurance & Attrition: How capable is an empire to survive in attrition. How wealthy it is, how long can it go on in difficult situations and simply outlast its opponents. How wealthy it is in resourcse to keep going ingame but more importantly how wealthy it is in spirit and moral and energy.

Most of these points are ignored and you'll normally get a "because they're the best/because they're strong etc" style answers if any answer at all. So these thread never give you a proper indepth look into the wider context of why an empire is the best. Which one is more capable at one thing or weaker at another as there is no single stat that determines which is the better.

Failing the above, you can always rename the question to which empire is the most popular and keep the poll

Ah, now there's something I agree is well put.
"How to create a proper Questionnaire?" 101.
I remember the lessons we had on that subject.

lol at Suzuk. Jim's just enthusiastic about something and letting it show.

Whatever is said in this thread from here on; I prefer cookies. Lots of them. Chocolate chip cookies. They're great.. and tasty.
Cookie Empire is the best.

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Is there really a point to this? At all? There's been several discussion threads over recent weeks dealing with this same issue and as far as I can tell it's quite clear that there is no "best" empire.

Everyone has their own opinions and their reasons for said opinions. Other people will, inevitably, disagree with these for their own set of reasons. I mean really, such a subjective topic is only good for fanning the fires of what is already a seemingly tense area of discussion.

Even within Lord Balors (with his standard eloquence) system there is room for personal bias to come into play, because there's always room for bias, I mean hell, I'm a member of Alpha so it's pretty obvious what I voted for, but does that mean anything beyond personal favouritism? No, and neither does this poll.

I vote to add Clarkey's 1 Man Empire...

Enygma wrote:Is there really a point to this? At all? There's been several discussion threads over recent weeks dealing with this same issue and as far as I can tell it's quite clear that there is no "best" empire.

Everyone has their own opinions and their reasons for said opinions. Other people will, inevitably, disagree with these for their own set of reasons. I mean really, such a subjective topic is only good for fanning the fires of what is already a seemingly tense area of discussion.

Even within Lord Balors (with his standard eloquence) system there is room for personal bias to come into play, because there's always room for bias, I mean hell, I'm a member of Alpha so it's pretty obvious what I voted for, but does that mean anything beyond personal favouritism? No, and neither does this poll.

I don't want it be a flaming topic I just want to see who everyone prefers and why
But I want it without insults :p