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The market must be updated; please read with an open mind...

Goods should be deposited in a special "bank" on the market page, retrievable by the seller and purchaser of these goods within 48 hrs of the the purchaser accepting the broker request. Only the market can to make deposits therein. Players will not be able to store extra naquadah, UU, or turns there either. It should only hold the goods from one trade alone until those goods are retrieved by the players themselves. Any other trades after the bank is full of one trade cannot be protected and are dispensed as usual. This will allow multiple trades to still commense after the market bank is filled. The market bank should be an enabled/disabled feature as well.

Market Bank restrictions would prevent players from hiding larger army sizes and entering pergatory and cheating their own naq bank sizes. The server should also be programmed to look for alliance members using the market bank amongst themselves on a regular basis. These players should be automatically black listed for cheating. I say this now because if it is not outlawed and considered cheating, you can expect that it will be abused and manipulated on a regular basis by alliances ingame. Especially the big ones. They have enough power now, so lets not hand them another card to play with eh?

A few reasons why this upgrade is ESSENTIAL to our game:

1. There are too many dousches buying UU and Naq, then running off to la la land for hours after you broker them. If a seller is robbed blind because some jackass approved a broker when they least expected it, why should the seller have to pay for the buyers ignorance? Some might say, "Increase your bank size and stop whining" or "negotiate on msn" I say, "Step out of the way of progress". This market update will improve market convenience dramatically; eliminating the hassle of MSN coordination all together.

2. The market was built to protect traders in the first place from cheaters. Here's a bombshell for you: your trades are no more safe now than they were before the market came about. I have a scenerio that you would do well to take to heart..

Player A and B are cheaters. They want to make a fortune off the market and here is how they'll do it. They chose the players with the smaller army sizes because they know their banks wont hold all of the naquadah once the broker is approved, or Player A makes the broker, then player B makes sure his defense can beat the victim's defense to take the UU.

After the buyer makes makes the broker request, they make him wait for hours. After he has lost patience or went to bed, player A approves the broker. Player B then steals the goods from Player C "The victim". So they not only screwed you out of your payment, but they just got free naq or UU out of the bargain as well.

If you've ever had a pain in the ass broker that was slow to approve; then you got robbed shortly after his approval for naq or UU; you were more than likely player C.

I'm actually surprised no one has ever done this! It is an obvious loophole in the market! I have never heard of this being done from other players; so I don't think too many theives have even thought about it much.

Not that I have ever done this or anything, but I just consider myself one of the chosen few born in this world with an exceptionally large brain. I am naturally paranoid as well and I started thinking about a recent deal of mine that went sour...

I found it suspicious that player A waited so long to approve me. I wrote him a couple of times and never answered any PM. I even said in one DO NOT APPROVE OR ACCEPT THIS BROKER UNTIL WE SPEAK AGAIN TOMORROW. What did he do? He approved around five o clock in the morning when I was in bed. I got robbed shortly after he approved!!

I never broker anyone ingame because I don't want to be at the mercy of someone else's watch. I am a reliable trader and when brokered, I approve in a matter of minutes. Last thursday I couldn't get a broker request for the life of me! No one was buying UU for hours!! I was desperate to sell so for the first time I actually brokered another player. It will be my last.

I will not broker another person in this game until the market is safer than it actually is. Now that I have shed light on this issue, I am willing to guarentee that UU/Naq trades will decease. Therefore, A market update is now Essential to the future of this game.

To my fellow traders: I wish you the best of luck, but know that when you broker another player; you are playing with a loaded gun.

Sorry I had to break your heart, but the market is not as safe as you think it is....

While i understand what your saying, you are over reacting.

First off you don't need 2 players to do your sinerio. Its been done many times over where the person accepting the trade immediately attacker the other player. Thats old school stuff.

Second as you have pointed out quit well, simple make them broker you, or build your MSN contact list.

Third, the best system possible has be suggested and ignored repeatedly. Its a 3 step broker. A puts naq in market. B puts uu in market. C market holds goods for 24 hrs for each person to retreive, if not retreived in 24 hrs then the resources are dumped onto the account.

But even that is exploitable.

Damn!! I didn't know it was that easy to rob someone blind on the market!! You would think there would be a limit of 24 hrs set after a trade with someone. That would end it.

It's wouldn't call it cheating, but I'd say it's dishonorable. It takes a little more balls than the cowards in my scenerio have.

How many times does the covert theft happen and go unnoticed?

The three step broker is ignored because it's even more complicated than any method we've discussed! Just thinking about trying that gives me hemmoroids! I'd be at the mercy of two watches then!

It would be a safer way to deal, but more complicated than it should be!

I honestly think we need an ingame market bank. It would be good for players, and good for the market!! Trades would be 100% safe, convenient, and they could be made a light speed.

brokers could be requested and walked away from.

Trade would soar to all time highs if broker requests didn't have to be such a pain in the ass.

It would increase the ammount of brokers requested ingame.

Don't think of it as "losing chiefs". We're just adding more indians to the fold.

You now you'd love a market bank! If you like what your reading.. Leave your comments!

But an in-game market bank would eliminate all trading risk wouldn't it? And what's the point in playing the game if every last ounce of risk is going to be squeezed out of it?

It's part of the game that you have to negotiate trades properly - so if you're trading with someone you don't know, or you've had a bad experience in the past, then surely contacting them and stating times when to accept and when not to accept the broker would be prudent, and a sensible thing to do? Like I said - surely it's just part of the game, and if traders can't be bothered to properly organise deals, then why should the game be altered to protect them from their own lack of foresight?

Wolf359 wrote:But an in-game market bank would eliminate all trading risk wouldn't it? And what's the point in playing the game if every last ounce of risk is going to be squeezed out of it?

It's part of the game that you have to negotiate trades properly - so if you're trading with someone you don't know, or you've had a bad experience in the past, then surely contacting them and stating times when to accept and when not to accept the broker would be prudent, and a sensible thing to do? Like I said - surely it's just part of the game, and if traders can't be bothered to properly organise deals, then why should the game be altered to protect them from their own lack of foresight?

I think the market was designed as a safe way to trade to begin with. I'm just saying if we really want to make it safe, we update with a market bank.

In which case the question is: Do we really want to make it completely safe, so that trades are completely protected from stupidity and or lack of communication?

To which the answer is, undoubtedly, NO.

The market was created to make trades safer - to stop scamming - because previously you had to rely on people sending you resources after you sent them resources - but those resources were not protected once they were sent, and neither should they be now because someone accepts a broker at an inconvenient time - does it really need to be completely idiot proof?

What little risk there is using the trade broker can be overcome easily, without having to resort to having a market bank. The choice is up to the individuals to take steps to negate that risk, or not - but there shouldn't be an automated system introduced that will eliminate the risk completely.

Ive made a pretty good suggestion for a new market option called the Auction House, you should view it and expressed you opinion. Now after spotting this section I see someone has made a contradictory of themselves...

Anyway here is a link viewtopic.php?f=13&t=110749

Wolf359 wrote:But an in-game market bank would eliminate all trading risk wouldn't it? And what's the point in playing the game if every last ounce of risk is going to be squeezed out of it?

It's part of the game that you have to negotiate trades properly - so if you're trading with someone you don't know, or you've had a bad experience in the past, then surely contacting them and stating times when to accept and when not to accept the broker would be prudent, and a sensible thing to do? Like I said - surely it's just part of the game, and if traders can't be bothered to properly organise deals, then why should the game be altered to protect them from their own lack of foresight?

I take this as a statement that doing all points over are legal, so i could just set brokers and buyin uu for larger amounts of naq and then attacking them ????? and just can say is... well dude its a war game, sorry! naaaaaah dude u shouldnt say that like u did, i get your point but many wont.
The idea here is not so bad, what u Wolf359 do not understand is that the idea is not to make the game safer, it is to give some extra protection to the players from the scammin going on every single day , while u admins and mods just see an small part , at least 7 of every 10 players i know have been scammed in this game, and if this can be prevented then i think it should be done! If not then, why should we keep playing if we already know scamming is not illegal , steal in a trade isnt , and worst all possible ways to avoid this kind of lack of honour moves are just sent to hell because of the lame excuse that

Wolf359 wrote:then why should the game be altered to protect them from their own lack of foresight?

Maybe i can avoid this kind of tricks, and so can many, but new players might not be able to, and that is something that cannot be taken like some do in this game! Sorry but its just what me and a lot of players thinks, many wont say anything cause they dont care, other quitted because of that, a lot affraid of backin my cold words, but im sure few will! and if not well... ill stand for it!