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"The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:36 am
by ~Artanis~
Yes as the title says,I wish to know opinions of the community on this problem that has been going on for some time

my 2 cents...

From the time I have bought myself a new acount since I sold my old a received a decent ascended acount I have been hit pretty frequnetly and also members of TO,CoTO as I noticed it by one guy.....
Surely other major alliances have been hit by him but what can you do to a guy that is under the cap with his full CER with almost nothing to destroy?

That certain player has better lvl`s than enterthelion or I dare to say S T I.....only thing he doesnt have is a huge army?and why bother,with such a great CER as he has,his lvls he doesnt need to have an income coz he can farm it easily from others and even more....

Please dont classify this as giving out stats since I didnt post his name or ID,I just want people to compare stats of this player with stats of one of the best players in the game

Last time I checked it was something around this
his fleets: 400 000
charisma: 781
attack,def,cov and assassination well over 1100

Just to give you an idea of his shiny attack,his attack lvl is over 1300

Now thats all you need to know,now imagine what kind of a up this guy has...

Where is the point for the big players like STI,sinister,mojo,dead horse,etl and others to grow over the cap and get hit by these snipers if snipers can achieve far better stats then theirs for which they have been working for years?

Surely mojo,sinister can agree with me that if a 130 mill army player masses a 280 mill army player(on main server) it wont make a big difference since the bigger guy has a 1 mill up and so can restore his loses very quickly and also an income that helps him in war times and recover very fast....

Where are the advanatges of being big in ascnded then? :shock:
Only advantage on ascended is going lone wolf and farm th whole server and build a great acount with a mind blowing CER and then mass anyone you like without worries....

I say this should be changed or some serious updates should be made to prevent from this happening or very soon there will be loads of people using this technique and there wont be any strategy anymore

I say if people on main have planets so they can recover fast why not do something similar in ascended?
This isnt an issue for the smaller players or those who dont care about ascended but surely if u would be assassinated like mojo or sinister by giovanni or someone else you would get the picture...

Now I want some serious answers on this one,no whining,bragging or flaming...if you dont wish to contribute and suggest a potential solution to this major problem dont bother
thank you
~Artanis~

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:44 am
by Nightmare
You must have x amount of defense supers for x amount of attack supers? So that when they do build a strike (and yes they do expect to be assasinated) they lose double what they normally would?

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:01 am
by Defense-Forcefield
only way i finded agaisnt snipers (and i'm far far far away to realize it) is having more than 10bil planets.

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:47 am
by ~Artanis~
Nightmare wrote:You must have x amount of defense supers for x amount of attack supers? So that when they do build a strike (and yes they do expect to be assasinated) they lose double what they normally would?


As I said what is it for a guy that hasa roughly 200-250 mill CER?

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:20 am
by Draleg
Again , wat to say , we all know Ascention is a joke , Admin thinks then when the " big " boys get to big the smaller players wont even want to play ascention , i still see new ppl in main every day so Admin is in my opinion wrong , the only thing Admin is doing is making shure new players still want to start in ascention and the " big " players want to quit ascention , but its Jasons game and as long as there are more small players then there are big ones Jason wont change a thing .
Shure a tweak here and there and we ( bigger players ) just get bent over a new way .

Watever happends to ascention i wont stop playing it , i just dont like playing it the way its set up now , i really and honestly feel i'm being cheated out of my power in ascention , and were there is a feeling there is always a reason for it.
my 2 cents

( no animals were hurt during the typing of this mssg and no disrespect intended to any and all admins / mods )

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:36 am
by Giovanni
It's funny though.. Because most of the snipers are not 'small' accounts.

Else why would we be able to hit you. :O

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:57 am
by Defense-Forcefield
Giovanni wrote:It's funny though.. Because most of the snipers are not 'small' accounts.

Else why would we be able to hit you. :O


i'm frequently hitted by 4 snipers. 2 of them are prior in purg realm with less than 2 mil units.
i'll never got any proof, but when someone play only since 1-2 month and know so weel all strategy in ascended, i think it's legit to think they are dual account cheaters. And more when they snipe only in one alliance.

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:58 am
by Raven
So your saying this guy has one of the best accounts in the game but he shouldnt be able to farm everyone ? :lol:

And that fleet/cha is prolly past 250mill CER already :-D

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:04 am
by Curumo
1 b planets IS small ...

Plus having a 150-200 m + CER actual size doesn't really matter, does it? Cause under 2 b planets you keep your full CER.

Example:

A ascended sniper has 150 m CER.
He needs 8 days to get 2 k at.
His army size is let's say 800m
In 8 days he gets 1,2 B uu.

His army size is now 2 b.

He can farm the whole server with a CRAZY strike and assassin level and there is nothing the bigger players can do.

EDIT: No raven it's not that that 'person' isn't allowed to do farm everyone. It's just that it's unfair that the 'big' players can't do anything to stop him.

With a higher CER (which for snipers IS possible) this can get pretty ridiculous. Not to mention that these accounts are undescendable.

At this moment there is no point in getting big in ascended. Or is there?

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:10 am
by Raven
Curumo wrote:1 b planets IS small ...

Plus having a 150-200 m + CER actual size doesn't really matter, does it? Cause under 2 b planets you keep your full CER.

Example:

A ascended sniper has 150 m CER.
He needs 8 days to get 2 k at.
His army size is let's say 800m
In 8 days he gets 1,2 B uu.

His army size is now 2 b.

He can farm the whole server with a CRAZY strike and assassin level and there is nothing the bigger players can do.

EDIT: No raven it's not that that 'person' isn't allowed to do farm everyone. It's just that it's unfair that the 'big' players can't do anything to stop him.

With a higher CER (which for snipers IS possible) this can get pretty ridiculous. Not to mention that these accounts are undescendable.

At this moment there is no point in getting big in ascended. Or is there?



A very easy way to stop them is just build a decent defence.
No sniper is gonna get a strike beyond x number if its not worth it.
The problem in asc is that people want to have a huge income but dont wanna defend it esp when they are in one of the super alliances.
Investing in def would be a good way to go im sure some people dont have any bother with snipers at all because they do keep a defence good enough to bounce off snipers.
They have abit smaller income because of it but they atleast keep their income :-D

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:15 am
by blahh
theres realy a simple way of fixing it...
raise the "cap" to 4bil, than in time to 6bil.. and so on..

as ppl grow they start to worry about their income...

atm they can farm in 2 runs per week.. more than they gain if they grow their planets.. and use income.
Simply because if youre at 4bil planets and wanna keep your income and have it safe.. about 2bil will be trained up.. the income you get from the remaining 2 bil is **Filtered** compared to what you can farm :)

higher caps alow more planets.. meaning good incomes even with biger defs, biger defs mean snipers need biger strike, meaning more losses per run longer time to recover,.. and the influcence of full boosted 200mil up is reduced as it takes longer to recover :)

and be4 ppl start jumping me... I farm, alowing more planets, aka biger defs hurt me as much as the next guy, so this realy wouldnt benifit me...

But it will solve the sniper issue.

As for how will ppl catch up, raising 2 to 4 isnt realy that big of a deal like rave says.. he has 250mil cer and his account started 2 months ago.. or so the extra 2bil is 8days for him :)

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:16 am
by Brdavs
Lol Raven :lol:


Seriously ppl... It`s not a mechanic problem as much as it is a state of mind heh... He has a great account and farms a truckload, props to him. How many ppl on main have awsome attack planets and farm for big profit when others can`t, or better said won`t put the effort in. Deal with it. Build a stupid def or log on more often. That second worked out quite fine for me eh Raven heh...

I mean wth, you`re allways about "playing how it`s suppoesd to be played" lol... attack farm etc. etc. Don`t tell me you only support that untill you`re not on the recieving end? I would never have guessed.
Only difference between these snipers and most of main farmers I see is that they`re lone wolfs doing it to either get beck at someone or cos that`s what gives them pleasure. They substitute "normal" gameplay for the one of a vigilante... So statbuilders got their opposite extreme up there lol...

But since we`re calling for changes to everything not going our way all the time... Can I have merlins baned plz? cos this "get 10uber planets for a crazy UP/fraction of the cost massing and keep them merlined 24/7 when not on ppt" is well... kinda... not cool & "unfair"?

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:25 am
by semper
all's fair in love and war. :wink:

These buggers have found a way to get you all without cheating. I think the answer is actually really simple. Tough titties big guys. :lol:

This entire thread is bloody insane to be honest. Some people have a tactic and game play that tops the others, none of you can find away to get rid of it for good so now your here as a big angry mob crying because your all to used to the simple life at the top. :?

There is no problem with the ascended snipers, the problem lies with the, and I use the next word VERY lightly, 'victims' of the sniper tactic. :-D

This entire situation is no different from lets say a tiny alliance made of noobs taking on Omega. I dont see anyone complaining there that no matter what the noobs did, at the end of the day, their freedom of play WOULD rely on the mercy of Omega. 8)

Bottom line... "Boooo hoooo hooo..." Gimme a break..:roll:

Kudos to those who dont find it that much of a problem. *Thumbs up!!!!*

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:07 am
by Draleg
like i sayed , lets wait a while and see wat happends once you all get " big " ...

I hope you enjoy being a big player and getting your account kicked to bits by someone that normaly wold not even make a dent.

I SAY NO MORE RANKMODS , i understand them for raiding ands so but a multiplyer for attackpower = joke . Its Jasons call , its his game , but we have to play it , and playing it like its now sucks and gives me no fun. I dont mind getting farmed / massed by a worthey opponent , hey i love the chalenge but getting it from someone that is being given it on a silver platter , screw that , let them do the effort we all did .
This entire situation is no different from lets say a tiny alliance made of noobs taking on Omega. I dont see anyone complaining there that no matter what the noobs did, at the end of the day, their freedom of play WOULD rely on the mercy of Omega. 8)


Wel in main you can sit on someone , in ascention you cant even deascend a player with a brein

oh , wats the use , its all good as long as your the ones getting the benifit

Re: "The ascended snipers"

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:17 am
by Raven
Draleg wrote:like i sayed , lets wait a while and see wat happends once you all get " big " ...

I hope you enjoy being a big player and getting your account kicked to bits by someone that normaly wold not even make a dent.


There are some snipers around who could take down anyone they want without losing much.

Draleg wrote:I SAY NO MORE RANKMODS , i understand them for raiding ands so but a multiplyer for attackpower = joke . Its Jasons call , its his game , but we have to play it , and playing it like its now sucks and gives me no fun. I dont mind getting farmed / massed by a worthey opponent , hey i love the chalenge but getting it from someone that is being given it on a silver platter , screw that , let them do the effort we all did .



You are Omegan and that means you dont fight with someone you figth with all the others and then fight someone........in other words its not much use for a sniper to actually prove to someone they can easily win vs becuase the whole alliance will stand next to them......