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One of my mates was ascending the other day, and I saw that he only required a UP of around 1500. Now, originally, ascensions were supposed to be very infrequent. Jason said no one would make LG within a year or some such, right?

I think, the UP requirement should be ( don't kill me for this ) 10X what it is now.

First ascension - 10k Up
Second - 20k
Third - 30k
Fourth - 40k

Originally, ascension was something you SERIOUSLY had to strive for. Only top 100 even got a shot at it. Now, people left right and centre are doing it. Which was not the intent. I think, this would make ascensions alot more time consuming for a starter player. And while it may not slow down a larger player all that much - it means that larger player had to work / play that much longer, just to be able to do the ascensions that much faster.

Don't hate me. =P

~HellFire

Not that I'm really against the idea, however it won't really change too much ingame. As it is now, you receive most of your APP from your raw UP. So if you do ascend with just 1500 raw UP, you'll be leaving yourself at a serious disadvantage in ascension.

Though that being said, doesn't really address your point of ascending being too easy, so eh, whatever works.

yeah.. I'm a newish account, been.. oh, 2 months now?

My base UP is 20k. Nearly another 20k from planets.

so yeah, uping UP requirements isn't going to help, wiht out making them REALLY high.

But then, I got lucky, got a helping hand from a friend, and learned fast, and know how to farm dead accounts and/or sell excess turns well.

so.. yeah. Any one who gets a half way decent commander can do the same thing.

Like IF ascension wasn't hard enough...(up officers & total, weapons sale update)
Hell no...Requirements for AG would be what then 100k raw?

yes it should be higher

No it shouldn't!

Legendary Apophis wrote:No it shouldn't!

why not?

if you're so small as to not be able to build such UP, then you obviously arent supposed to be able to ascend that far... ascension is supposed to be hard... besides, you need to grow quite a lot to get to the G&R level these days anyways, so such UP is no bad thing... making the requirements higher, will force people to work more when ascending... (according to what we've heard, the APP from ascending should apparently also go up, to make ascending more worth it as seen from the ascended server, but we dont know for sure being unascended ourselves...)

UP effects other requirements as well, which is more what i was getting at. You have to give up alot more UU each ascension this way, which makes it longer, and more gruelling.

~HellFire

Zeratul wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:No it shouldn't!

why not?

if you're so small as to not be able to build such UP, then you obviously arent supposed to be able to ascend that far... ascension is supposed to be hard... besides, you need to grow quite a lot to get to the G&R level these days anyways, so such UP is no bad thing... making the requirements higher, will force people to work more when ascending... (according to what we've heard, the APP from ascending should apparently also go up, to make ascending more worth it as seen from the ascended server, but we dont know for sure being unascended ourselves...)

I had 55k raw for messiah and 32k raw for incarnate...but no, I don't want them to be requirements!
Just having excess UP for APP. :p
And if you do it, small people in ascended will never be able to have 2-7bil planets accounts, would take them years, while people between us, the ones who ascended after the asc server updates, and the ones after this one, would be again totally not equal, as the ones inbetween had unfair advantage to before update one, but these ones built for long before, so not like for post of this update ones, who wouldn't have long "slow" growth of monthes if not year before!

523,360 Ascension Points Available. Will return 895,102,608 Ascended Life Force

My last "quick" ascension, ascended at 1001 G&R, with 30k UP and 27/25...I make it in no time with DMU, but what would get a player going for incarnate after such update would be like...5x less!

HellFire wrote:UP effects other requirements as well, which is more what i was getting at. You have to give up alot more UU each ascension this way, which makes it longer, and more gruelling.

~HellFire

and that is completely not what needs to happen unless you want no new players. its nearly impossible for new accounts to get their feet under them now anyways since they get farmed constantly by people that have massive accounts. That isn't any question of skill or dedication, its just simple game mechanics. Believe me, its no easier to ascend now than it was 2 years ago. If anything it may be worse since little guys have their defenses removed on a regular basis by people that are bored.

Legendary Apophis wrote:And if you do it, small people in ascended will never be able to have 2-7bil planets accounts, would take them years, while people between us, the ones who ascended after the asc server updates, and the ones after this one, would be again totally not equal, as the ones inbetween had unfair advantage to before update one, but these ones built for long before, so not like for post of this update ones, who wouldn't have long "slow" growth of monthes if not year before!

That is not really true on ascended. Ascended is weighted so in favour of the smaller accounts it is not funny. Why do you think that there are so many sniper accounts? I've been playing ascended for 9 months, as a semi-sniper. After being demolished probably 8 times, threatened to be massed on main etc I am about to pass the 2bil mark with nearly 100mil CER. Ascended is easy enough, even without a reasonable main acct to back it up (I have sub 25mil army on main for that whole time).

The hardest ascension is the initial one at the moment, and that is building up the army to be able to cope with the hit that you'll take. I'm just ascended to incarnate and I did some 3months preparing for it through growing and building income planets to fund running ascensions. Once you set your account up to cope with it then ascending is easy...... maybe too easy? *shrug*

I think you will be hurting the smaller accounts far too much simple in main losses. Its a fact its easier to buy DMU to advance your ascended account, so forcing them to use those resources to ascend for rediculouly low yeild just dont seem right. IDK

Lore wrote:I think you will be hurting the smaller accounts far too much simple in main losses. Its a fact its easier to buy DMU to advance your ascended account, so forcing them to use those resources to ascend for rediculouly low yeild just dont seem right. IDK

exactly what I was going to say

Naminef wrote:and that is completely not what needs to happen unless you want no new players. its nearly impossible for new accounts to get their feet under them now anyways since they get farmed constantly by people that have massive accounts. That isn't any question of skill or dedication, its just simple game mechanics. Believe me, its no easier to ascend now than it was 2 years ago. If anything it may be worse since little guys have their defenses removed on a regular basis by people that are bored.

Yeah right, I've seen players who've been playing for their 5th month, moseying onto their 4th ascension. It's massively easier for the smaller people to ascend now. GnR at rank 1300? You don't lose stats if you're massed, at those numbers. Even for a small player.

Lore wrote:I think you will be hurting the smaller accounts far too much simple in main losses. Its a fact its easier to buy DMU to advance your ascended account, so forcing them to use those resources to ascend for rediculouly low yeild just dont seem right. IDK

We'd be forcing them to spend more time between ascensions, making them plan out more, and trying to learn the game mechanics alot more. Really way out their options. The amount of people who have -no- idea about their accounts is truly astonishing. I've seen more then one ascended account who think assassins are used to stop people from spying them.

I think if you increased the cost, making it longer / harder for people to ascend, they'd be alot more ready, and -less- likely to quit, once they've put forth some effort.

Thank you for everyones' replies, too. Have had some well thought of responses.

~HellFire

Actually I think you start getting GnR points now at around rank 1650 which is when I started to get them for my second ascension.