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tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:48 am
by [KMA]Avenger
SVaRuN wrote:We have started the program since first requests have been made and so ppl will start posting in this thread they have left the war and paid the tribute...
The standards are the same as always:
- Army size
- Behaviour
- Time of departure
(later you leave bigger the tribute...more you were throwing mud into our way bigger the tribute...bigger you are more you pay...)
The rules are basically set if anything changes we ll let you know (since we have just started some may...but for now thats the standard...)
Who to contact...? Well no official guy for that yet but soon we ll write those as well...till then pray that you get me on the phone or just wait untill the names are given which will be shortly...
Message to MODS the author of this thread would request that any post any kind of post which is not in the ways of = I am leaving the war and have paid the tribute...to be deleted...far too many ppl on either side so to make it completely VISABLE and clean!
Blue
sorry mate, i've heard of role play but i think this is totally out of order and disgusting!
i dont care what anyone thinks, thats nothing short of blackmail, scamming and downright nasty to another member of this community.
what happened to the days when massing was fun?
i find asking...nay demanding tribute from your adversary to leave a war sickening and before anyone without 2 brain cells to rub together even tries to justify or have a go at me...i dont care what you think!
now seeing how this poll could be swayed by biased voting from groups who demand a (pukes) tribute for some to leave a war i would ask that those people do not vote but please by all means give us your thoughts on something that cannot be justified no matter what slant you put on it.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:08 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i appreciate and respect your input Earendil and i understand your trying to explain why they have the (pukes again) tribute but there is a big difference between what TLE ask for and what OE ask for, and from what i gather OE only implemented their version of (pukes yet again) tribute in response to TLE's version...
not trying to say OE's is any better than TLE's coz its all the same to me, whats wrong is wrong and theres no justification for it.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:13 am
by Brdavs
Yea, fuall just makes you primisse you`ll never ever return to an alliance or the alliances ally. Much more in tune with the "spirit of the game" heh...
It is a security deposit and a detarant to people. A statement that you dont get out cheaply or when you`ve simply had enough for yourself once you start a war. Afterall, it takes two to tango and simply waltzing off in a middle of a dance is very rude. You`ll think twice next time heh...
Would it be better if we just refused to accept any form of leaving and simply sit on people? Would that be more in tune with the "just spirit of this place"? You must have spent the past 2 years under a rock, no offense heh.
Honesty, you trully are a couple of wars and a couple of years late for this argument. Svarun by no means coppied this concept. One more thing the wannebe TLE "stole"/coppied/emulated according to acronon heh...
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 am
by Brdavs
Earendil wrote:No where in my post did I mention that he 'stole' the concept at all. I could keep going on with you but from all of your posts Brdavs you think in a strait line and those kind of people are not fun to debate or argue with at all.
Yes FUALL will make you leave your alliance, but most of the people who play this game, that i know anyways, have friends in other alliance's that they could go to if they really wanted to. I'm sure you wouldn't lose to many of you friends, unless of course you don't really care about that and just like the tag
I`m sure people will figure out who from us two only "thinks in a line", considering I cited some1 in my post ergo that "stole" thing was *probably* atributed to him and his comments in another thread lol. Reread plz.
So you`re saying its easier for some1 to part ways with his friend and home in sgw than a couple 100bils? You`re a credit to your alliance you are. Personally I`d rather burn my account down to bare lifers than be dictated who I can an cannot play with for the rest of my career. Call me weird I guess. lol.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Brdavs wrote:Yea, fuall just makes you primisse you`ll never ever return to an alliance or the alliances ally. Much more in tune with the "spirit of the game" heh...
It is a security deposit and a detarant to people. A statement that you dont get out cheaply or when you`ve simply had enough for yourself once you start a war. Afterall, it takes two to tango and simply waltzing off in a middle of a dance is very rude. You`ll think twice next time heh...
Would it be better if we just refused to accept any form of leaving and simply sit on people? Would that be more in tune with the "just spirit of this place"? You must have spent the past 2 years under a rock, no offense heh.
Honesty, you trully are a couple of wars and a couple of years late for this argument. Svarun by no means coppied this concept. One more thing the wannebe TLE "stole"/coppied/emulated according to acronon heh...
look, i'm not trying have a dig at anyone here, i've seen something (regardless of how long its been going on) that is NOT right and want to see what others think of it.
this is NOT anti-TLE or anti-anybody thread and the last thing i want is finger pointing and flaming to start...i'm just voicing my disgust at the practice.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:37 am
by Severian
6) You agree not to return to any TJP member team or ally after this conflict.
This point is somewhat disturbing and even if retracted at a later date due to political pressure, the Ideology and intentions behind it has been revealed, which is something the community will not likely forget.
That is, dictating what people can and cannot do beyond the scope of the conflict with the intention of permanently reducing and destroying all rival powers through this indirect enticement. Physically breaking alliances is no longer as easy as it once was due to people realising that even with 0 stats, they can still do large amounts of damage to an empire. So other means to destroy alliances have to be conjured which this is an obvious end result. It took a while for Omega to show its true colours after playing the righteous card for so long and accusing/abusing TLE and subsequently Janus over naq tributes.
You see, I'd rather spend a day’s income paying a TJP tribute than:
A) Never being allowed to play with my mates/same side as my mates ever again.
B) Letting FUALL try to dismantle/disband the only alliances capable of standing up to it by syphoning off members, destroying absolutely any competition or competitiveness left in the game and effectively leaving the server in the hands of a 300+ member entity where the next largest is barely 1/3 of that.
Dangerous game destroying times these are and that’s why I'm glad I'm fighting for the side that is made up of separate entities united by a common cause who do not pose such a threat to the stability of the game and the diversity of the forums.
Let the community pause for a second to think about the long term outcomes of a FUALL victory and the long term outcomes of a TJP victory, the state of the game and the state of the forums and the purpose behind the two super-powers and reason for their expansions. Another thing to think about:
If there were no Janus, would there still be a FUALL?
If there were no FUALL, would there still be a Janus?
Yet people still wonder why basically every other power still left in the game has sided up for one last stand.
A TJP Tribute is a hundred fold better than the disgusting attempt FUALL have made of permanently ruining the game, but people are too proud and tag blind to see just how unhealthy large entities are for the game and for the forums.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:44 am
by geisha
Use some common sense, people.
Someone who leaves their alliance during a war just to return at a later point in time doesn't really leave and most likely just used the time to build up and support the alliance he supposedly left. Otherwise it's rather unlikely his old alliance would let him back in after he had bailed on them during a war. This we want to avoid. Makes sense?
We aren't dictating anyone how to play the game. We aren't asking huge amounts of naq. We aren't threatening to sit on people forever.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:48 am
by Brdavs
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Brdavs wrote:Yea, fuall just makes you primisse you`ll never ever return to an alliance or the alliances ally. Much more in tune with the "spirit of the game" heh...
It is a security deposit and a detarant to people. A statement that you dont get out cheaply or when you`ve simply had enough for yourself once you start a war. Afterall, it takes two to tango and simply waltzing off in a middle of a dance is very rude. You`ll think twice next time heh...
Would it be better if we just refused to accept any form of leaving and simply sit on people? Would that be more in tune with the "just spirit of this place"? You must have spent the past 2 years under a rock, no offense heh.
Honesty, you trully are a couple of wars and a couple of years late for this argument. Svarun by no means coppied this concept. One more thing the wannebe TLE "stole"/coppied/emulated according to acronon heh...
look, i'm not trying have a dig at anyone here, i've seen something (regardless of how long its been going on) that is NOT right and want to see what others think of it.
this is NOT anti-TLE or anti-anybody thread and the last thing i want is finger pointing and flaming to start...i'm just voicing my disgust at the practice.
I admire the idealistic outlook of yours heh... I honestly think it`s prolly not the nicest thing, certainly not a cheritable one. But against the spirit and paractice of SGW wich has been groomed by people into a cutthroath, might gives right, we whistle you dance place ever since I started out oh those long years ago? No, not realy heh. It`s prolly not even top 10 nastiest things done in SGW. Sry but this is a baaad place. And when in Rome...
@Earendil:
So your brilliant argument is that I have plenty of friends in other alliances I could join ergo what are those 20 I cant play with nomore... and on the other hand 1tril(random number) naq is ourtageously irreplacable and persumptous to ask? What kind of twisted logic is that lol?
Tell me genious... if I accept those terms today, who can I join? Not the whole TJP. Not my first and only alliance befoer TL cos we`re allied. Perhaps nimras will take me in and thats stretching the letter of the law somewhat heh... So in the end it`s my fault I don`t have more friends that are acceptable by your standards or are not your adversaries? You`re honestly believe in what you`re saying lol?
@Geisha:
&
@ThunderCat
So apparently we`re trying to avoud the same thing heh... we charge naq for the privelage. You ask for a promisse that is supposed to affect ones gameplay and companions for a duration well beyond this conflict. I think poeple can wigh the two and recognise wich one is overkill heh..
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:52 am
by ThunderCat
lol. I love how brdavs tries to make FUALL look like the bad guys here.
All we try to do is make sure that people won't leave and then return to the war later. We don't try to extort large amounts of naq, and suddenly our surrender terms are worse than yours?
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:55 am
by Juliette
Severian wrote:A TJP Tribute is a hundred fold better than the disgusting attempt FUALL have made of permanently ruining the game, but people are too proud and tag blind to see just how unhealthy large entities are for the game and for the forums.
It's all a matter of perspective really..
FUALL tries to take it out on the Alliances involved in the aggression against them. For an individual, it's best to have to pay only 1 Naq and then just reform a new alliance after the war with all those who surrendered.
TJP tries to take it out on the individuals involved in the aggression against them. For an alliance, it's best if you can let your members surrender free to rejoin after the war.. etcetera.
Both ways work fine for what they are meant to do.
Both ways are pretty much 'arguable'.
And yes.. some people will be revolted by both.
FUALL has the best options for the individual.
TJP has the best for alliances as a whole (and will thus risk their enemies reforming while the war's still on).
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:58 am
by ~Boner Boy~
hmm reminds me of EXTORTION!! you guys are no better than AGA!
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:24 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Severian wrote:6) You agree not to return to any TJP member team or ally after this conflict.
This point is somewhat disturbing and even if retracted at a later date due to political pressure, the Ideology and intentions behind it has been revealed, which is something the community will not likely forget.
That is, dictating what people can and cannot do beyond the scope of the conflict with the intention of permanently reducing and destroying all rival powers through this indirect enticement. Physically breaking alliances is no longer as easy as it once was due to people realising that even with 0 stats, they can still do large amounts of damage to an empire. So other means to destroy alliances have to be conjured which this is an obvious end result. It took a while for Omega to show its true colours after playing the righteous card for so long and accusing/abusing TLE and subsequently Janus over naq tributes.
You see, I'd rather spend a day’s income paying a TJP tribute than:
A) Never being allowed to play with my mates/same side as my mates ever again.
B) Letting FUALL try to dismantle/disband the only alliances capable of standing up to it by syphoning off members, destroying absolutely any competition or competitiveness left in the game and effectively leaving the server in the hands of a 300+ member entity where the next largest is barely 1/3 of that.
Dangerous game destroying times these are and that’s why I'm glad I'm fighting for the side that is made up of separate entities united by a common cause who do not pose such a threat to the stability of the game and the diversity of the forums.
Let the community pause for a second to think about the long term outcomes of a FUALL victory and the long term outcomes of a TJP victory, the state of the game and the state of the forums and the purpose behind the two super-powers and reason for their expansions. Another thing to think about:
If there were no Janus, would there still be a FUALL?
If there were no FUALL, would there still be a Janus?
Yet people still wonder why basically every other power still left in the game has sided up for one last stand.
A TJP Tribute is a hundred fold better than the disgusting attempt FUALL have made of permanently ruining the game, but people are too proud and tag blind to see just how unhealthy large entities are for the game and for the forums.
generally speaking and not pointing fingers but...the GA and in particular OE were always disliked because of the strangle hold they had on the game, i remember MANY posts about how big n bad the GA and omega were but i also remember telling MANY people to stop moaning they got bit when they were trying to grab the lion by the tail (lol)....i never had a single bad run in with any of the so called "big guys" (with the exception of the omega/Ak war which started due to puck not being able to keep things secret), could that be because i never messed with them?
i NEVER met anyone who said they were massed for no reason by either omega or any of their allies, i met plenty who were massed for messing with them tho, so...the moral of the story is...dont go stepping in crap and then moaning your shoes stink!
btw, Brdavs, you say the (pukes for the umpteenth time) tribute is taken as deposit, well can i have my 300 odd bill i gave to Blahh when you guys massed AK?
if the answer is yes would you mind setting a broker please?
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:01 pm
by Brdavs
Its one of those nonrefundable ones.
And you likewise dont have to pay reparations if you don`t want to... you just keep on fighting and everyone is happy. And you avoid it alltogether if you never poke the dragon by warring it in the first place.
And funnly enough I`ve met many pepople massed for what they described as "no reason", by various alliance across the board. Guess it varies on the interpretation of what constitutes a "legit reason" doesnt it heh...
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:14 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
Brdavs wrote:Its one of those nonrefundable ones.
not that 300 bill bothers me but i thought so
Brdavs wrote:Guess it varies on the interpretation of what constitutes a "legit reason" doesnt it heh...
seeing how i was on the end of an "Education" i'd have to agree, still it doesn't make it right or much fun.
Re: tributes...WTH are you kidding me or what???
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:16 pm
by Curumo
Funny. I've been a leader of AK for a LONG time and i've been around even longer. Funnily enough I've gotten less trouble from FUALL alliances than TJP.
I don't just mean massings, cause under me the alliance was massed by individuals from both sides, yet the attitude after confronting the people in charge of the alliances was W A Y different.
Brdavs: what's the difference between nonrefundable deposits and extorting naq? I remember a few cases where I can PROVE that the amount asked had nothing to do with people leaving or trying to get them not to mess with TJP, since the people who were indirectly forced to pay have not even attacked TJP in the first place. If you wish i can elaborate as well, should you not know of which case i speak
As for Education: it's just an excuse and we all know it