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Psi Kiya Trist wrote:i'm still Ron Paul 08...

good for you Psi, and if i was an american i would defo be voting the same, Ron Paul all the way to the bank...the federal bank...if you catch my meaning

Empedocles wrote:I am open to whatever you wanna teach me man . I don't like McCain or Clinton or Obama, they just say what people wanna hear, what they think will get them elected, and everything they say is a huge load.....

I didn't shoot down what your saying, but it just sounded like your one of those conspiracy theory people who think that our government plotted and actually did plan the 9/11 attacks. If your not, then that's my bad.

Also, I HATE how people blame "Bush" for everything that is going wrong. I guess I don't have any real facts or anything to support that stance, but they all just jump on the Bush Hater bandwagon because he is the President. They think EVERYTHING that is going wrong HAS to be his fault, there is no possibility that it is just the times, or the situation, or anything else. Nope, its his fault.

I am NOT, one of those people that is just brainwashed by all the things that the media spits out, I do realize that it completely came across as that...


(RON PAUL '08)

sorry for the long post but this is no easy subject when your trying to make people think for themselves.




your wrong, i dont think 9/11 was an inside job, i'm convinced it was an inside job, as was 7/7 london bombings, madrid and bali and every other bombing since....

do you know what a false flag operation is?

if not i suggest you find out how Hitler got his dictatorial powers, i dont mean how he got to be chancellor, i mean how he became a dictator.
another classic false flag operation is how Dr. Mohammad Mosaddeq (prime minister of iran) and his government (which was pro-american) were taken down by a joint MI5 and CIA operation all because mossadeq privatized irans oil industry and told BP (british petroleum) that they couldnt have a monoply on irans oil.

another classic false flag operation is operation "northwoods" lyndon baines johnson sent the USS liberty into the east med for intell gathering during israels 6 day war and the ship was then attacked by israeli fighters and PT boats and the liberty's captain put out a call for assist from the carrier group stationed in the med.
the admiral for the carrier group sent out planes to assist the liberty and he received orders from Washington to recall the fighters. the admiral called the whitehouse in person to get confirmation of the order and was told by robert mcnamarra the orders were genuine, recall the fighters, the president then gets on the phone and says and i quote "i want that goddamn ship going to the bottom! no help recall the wings" end quote.

imagine being rear admiral Guise (i think thats how his name is spelt) begging the president to allow you you to go to the aid of an american vessel and being told to stand down

anyways, the liberty was under attack for 3 hours and the PT boats even strafed the life boats killing US sailors (strafing life boats is an international war crime) and continued sending messages to the 6th fleet requesting assistants, and the only reason the ship survived and limped to rescue was a russian ship picked up the distress call and went to investigate since the attack was happening 14 miles of israels coast and was in international waters.
when the russians turned up the israelis backed off because there was a witness to the attack.
even 1 of the israeli pilots refused to engage the liberty stating that the ship was flying a US flag and was an ally and he would not engage the ship, 3 times this pilot refused till finally the controller said he would be court martialled for failing to carry out orders.
the captain of the liberty was given a congressional medal of honor in secret and was told never to tell what happened under threat of imprisonment.

all this info is freely available because its all been declassified but its all true, they have tapes of the incident.
there are so many cases of false flag ops its unbelievable that people still swallow this crap!


9/11 happened and then we went to war for payback, i dont have a problem with payback if someone has wronged you and like the whole world, on 9/11 i was with america if they decided to bomb afghanistan and iraq into the stone age for what they had done that was fine by me...

but wait...didnt bush say that saddam and iraq didnt have anything to do with 9/11?

then why the hell go there, why send young men and women to die in some god forsaken desert?? oh thats right, saddam was spending the cash he was getting from the CIA on WMD's and he was a threat...yeah right, do me a favor!?
we now know why we went in, but its fact that bush and blair used 9/11 to go into iraq and destroy a nation and plunder their resources.
thats betrayal of the highest order in my book.

btw, you may also like to know that bin laden is NOT wanted for the events of 9/11, just go onto the FBI's 10 most wanted list and you might be surprised to see that on the list of charges 9/11 is NOT listed, if bin laden and al qaeda didn't carry out the events of 9/11 then who did, why has no one been brought to justice for the events, why did bush limit the budget for the 9/11 investigations and wouldn't testify under oath before the 9/11 comity???

we all keep saying that 3000 people died on that terrible day but we all forget to mention that over 50,000 9/11 rescuers we're there on and after the day and they are now dropping like fly's from all kinds of respiratory illnesses and no one seems to care or even provide congressional money for health care for these heroes...they have plenty to spare for war tho!?!?


we've gone off topic with this discussion, so if you want to continue i suggest we do it via PM or another topic

mccain is quite old. . . couldnt he like die soon or something? he seems the more sensible choice if he lasts. he has actual experience.


[KMA]Avenger i do believe you are retarded.

dont preach your mad and foolish conspiracy theories here. your fellow believer in nonsense is in the debate section where he insists 9/11 and the the london attacks were done by the us/uk governments. why dont you stop chasing the yeti and go there. perhaps we could make it a private place where you two can convince yourselves of more retarded conspiracies.

the fact that there is more than 1 person who believes as you do kills my faith in humanity.

check this out. its made for idiots like you:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons


and about the tone i use towards you? people like you deserve it.

if you said something plausable, fair enough. if you claimed man didnt land on the moon, fair enough. but your claims are stupid conspiracy theories you got from someone else. they arent even original. you are a tool of another, dumber geek who 1st spread this **Filtered**.

visit the website. argueing with fanatics isnt fun.

vote McCain! dont startle him though

LiQuiD wrote:mccain is quite old. . . couldnt he like die soon or something? he seems the more sensible choice if he lasts. he has actual experience.


[KMA]Avenger i do believe you are retarded.

dont preach your mad and foolish conspiracy theories here. your fellow believer in nonsense is in the debate section where he insists 9/11 and the the london attacks were done by the us/uk governments. why dont you stop chasing the yeti and go there. perhaps we could make it a private place where you two can convince yourselves of more retarded conspiracies.

the fact that there is more than 1 person who believes as you do kills my faith in humanity.

check this out. its made for idiots like you:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons


and about the tone i use towards you? people like you deserve it.

if you said something plausable, fair enough. if you claimed man didnt land on the moon, fair enough. but your claims are stupid conspiracy theories you got from someone else. they arent even original. you are a tool of another, dumber geek who 1st spread this **Filtered**.

visit the website. argueing with fanatics isnt fun.

vote McCain! dont startle him though

1st off, who is the fanatic here, me or you?
this is not a competition, i'm not out to get a following, i have no ego when it comes to this type of subject matter.
i win when the real perps are brought to justice, i win nothing by making 1 more person realize the truth except the feeling of helping others to understand whats going on.
i dont care for theories or rumors, i dont jump on any bandwagon just because it sounds cool to lambaste our own governments, i WISH, what i know is not so but the fact of the matter is, it is so and i am trying to help you lot take the blinkers off, if that makes me retarded then i would hate to be normal and i'm glad for it!

the difference between people like me and people like you is i have bothered to read and look at the arguments against what i say because i was on that side, i ran around saying no way could any government be so evil towards its citizens, but my view changed because deep down i value truth and the truth of the matter is that 9/11, 7/7 and the other bombings dont hold water.
if the investigations of 9/11 and 7/7 were boats they would have sunk before they got out of the harbor and if you cant see that then i dont know what more i can say , but consider this...right after hitler burned the richestag and blamed the comies for it he introduced his version of the patriot act and if you read it-it is nearly word for word for what you have in the states today.
above all else, i have 3 sons and each and every day i tell them not to lie, i may be many things but i'm not a hypocrite!

i have shown you evidence of state sponsored terrorism from your own declassified records and tapes, what have you shown me aside from hostility?

remember, i gain nothing, i'm not into the your side and my side thing, if you was a stranger in the street being beaten up i AM the guy who would stop and help you at the risk of my personal life because i was raised with morals and to know whats right and wrong, would GWB, tony blair or gordon brown do the same???

if you think they would then why are people being knifed to death on the streets of the UK on a daily basis, why are there ghettos in america where young people pray on each other like savages???


sigh, did you even bother to try and understand what i wrote in my previous post?

tell me something, are you one of those guys that thinks the federal reserve and the bank of england are state owned banks?

go and watch alex jones new film "Truth Rising" it gives the first responders on 9/11 a voice which has been denied to them by the 9/11 commission report, they SHOULD know what their talking about since they were on the scene from day 1 to the end.

go educate yourself about how america is dropping depleted uranium loaded bombs on the iraqi people, our governments are guilty of and complicit in genocide, what makes you think they wouldnt turn on us if it suited them and furthered their agendas??

and please dispense with the Bill Oreilly tactic, it doesn't work here

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i win when the real perps are brought to justice, i win nothing by making 1 more person realize the truth except the feeling of helping others to understand whats going on.

wow you are a deluded hero! what a saint.

[KMA]Avenger wrote: i WISH, what i know

what you think you know, which is what someone else has told you. get an original theory dude. and you arent jumping on the bandwagon. theres no space on it. you are following several miles behind it in a state of conspiracy bliss. you are not important. dont try to convince yourself you are by claiming insight.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:if that makes me retarded then i would hate to be normal

yes it does and id hate to be you. brainwashed much?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i have bothered to read and look at the arguments against what i say

you mean you searched obscure websites run by nuts like yourself.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:right after hitler burned the richestag and blamed the comies

lol bringing up a new argument with hitler. very contemporary.

[KMA]Avenger wrote: i have 3 sons and each and every day i tell them not to lie

what you tell your family is no business of mine. tell them as you wish. they are not a tool for debate.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i have shown you evidence of state sponsored terrorism from your own declassified records and tapes

i believe the website i have shown links to several times refers to nerds looking at declassified records and grainy videos/pics to justify their delusion. why declassify records that would prove anthing of value?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:remember, i gain nothing, i'm not into the your side and my side thing, if you was a stranger in the street being beaten up i AM the guy who would stop and help you at the risk of my personal life because i was raised with morals and to know whats right and wrong, would GWB, tony blair or gordon brown do the same???

no revelance. id do the same. not doing it would be shameful. you are not a hero for saying this. and i dont know you so i dont know your words would be backed up. i have helped people in trouble. doesnt make me a good person.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:if you think they would then why are people being knifed to death on the streets of the UK on a daily basis, why are there ghettos in america where young people pray on each other like savages???

i live in a crime hostpot. wow! again it has no revelance to your points? linking knife crime with 9/11 & 7/7? WTH is that about. . .

[KMA]Avenger wrote:tell me something, are you one of those guys that thinks the federal reserve and the bank of england are state owned banks?

i thought the bank of england was independant. meh i dont know much about it so im not going to go on about it.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:go and watch alex jones new film "Truth Rising" it gives the first responders on 9/11 a voice which has been denied to them by the 9/11 commission report, they SHOULD know what their talking about since they were on the scene from day 1 to the end.

id rather eat glass than watch another conspiracy propaganda piece.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:america is dropping depleted uranium loaded bombs on the iraqi people

depleted uranium is anti armour. why drop it on civilians. and everyone knows its not exactly healthy. again, no revelance to your point. again

theres a differance between war and genocide. they arent intentionally massacreing iraqis in a systematic fashion. what a stupid point. the casulties of war are tragic beyond words but they are often unavoidable. saddam conducted genocide though.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:and please dispense with the Bill Oreilly tactic, it doesn't work here

i dont know or care who that is.


i feel sorry for you. you seem like a western version of the islamic terrorists who have been brainwashed by others and who rant on the internet. would you say they are right in their belief that all infidels should be killed? im sure they believe absoultely in their ideas, jus like you do. its called delusion and you are deluded. i feel sorry for people like you. and i maintain you are a fool. you are not retarded, i was wrong. but even someone with adequate intelligence can be misled by others and do foolish things. i hope you will see how crazy your theories are in a few years. ill be waiting for an apology.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d



I vote for Paris...


Bill

sorry but your stupidity is of galactic if not biblical proportions.

i could pick holes in every single point you have made and i have done just that in my previous posts. you want to carry on with your fantasy please go right ahead but since you are so closed minded its pointless talking to you since everything is a fantasy to you.

so if your not going to even look at the facts and judge things solely on the facts and you insist on calling people crazy without cause or reason i would ask you to simply go crawl back in your hole.

I still say vote for paris...

[KMA]Avenger wrote:...you are so closed minded its pointless talking to you...

i think that could be said of both of you...

thank you, have a nice day.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

All I have to say, if I was American and if that Ron Paul dude became president...I would make sure to go to live to Canada before end of the year!

Aside of two good things in his WHOLE program/positions (voted no to Irak war and opposed to Patriot Act)...otherwise...rest is really not my cup of tea

Legendary Apophis wrote:All I have to say, if I was American and if that Ron Paul dude became president...I would make sure to go to live to Canada before end of the year!

Aside of two good things in his WHOLE program/positions (voted no to Irak war and opposed to Patriot Act)...otherwise...rest is really not my cup of tea

You act like he'd be able to do anything.....


In reality, he'd turn out to be a lame duck president, as nobody in congress would do anything for him...They'd just be looking for the chance to impeach him..

The next person to call someone close minded gets a warning.. I don't like your attitudes.

That goes for Avenger (sorry chap), Bill, Psi, Ifrit, Jim, and everyone else.

Sure, everyone is closeminded by the standards of the other. That information is irrelevant and insulting, and if you have a shred of respect for each other you will respect their condition of mind, be it closed, open, chaste or dirty..

Lois Lane wrote:The next person to call someone close minded gets a warning.. I don't like your attitudes.

That goes for Avenger (sorry chap), Bill, Psi, Ifrit, Jim, and everyone else.

Sure, everyone is closeminded by the standards of the other. That information is irrelevant and insulting, and if you have a shred of respect for each other you will respect their condition of mind, be it closed, open, chaste or dirty..

I resent that madam! For I am as open minded as it gets



Though yeah, they were getting insulting...hence my paris hilton distraction that none of them acknowledged

pianomutt20000 wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:All I have to say, if I was American and if that Ron Paul dude became president...I would make sure to go to live to Canada before end of the year!

Aside of two good things in his WHOLE program/positions (voted no to Irak war and opposed to Patriot Act)...otherwise...rest is really not my cup of tea

You act like he'd be able to do anything.....


In reality, he'd turn out to be a lame duck president, as nobody in congress would do anything for him...They'd just be looking for the chance to impeach him..

true!

Lois Lane wrote:The next person to call someone close minded gets a warning.. I don't like your attitudes.

That goes for Avenger (sorry chap), Bill, Psi, Ifrit, Jim, and everyone else.

Sure, everyone is closeminded by the standards of the other. That information is irrelevant and insulting, and if you have a shred of respect for each other you will respect their condition of mind, be it closed, open, chaste or dirty..

I wouldn't...now even less


Anyway, Obama for the win.
Video in first post, was not serious, that's obvious...

Psi Kiya Trist wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:...you are so closed minded its pointless talking to you...

i think that could be said of both of you...

thank you, have a nice day.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

not really mate since i side with truth, and the truth of the matter is i remember where i was on 9/11 because my 2nd son was born on the morning of 9/10 and my wife was home that same night, the next morning i phoned my brother in cyprus to tell him the good news and his reply was "DONT YOU HAVE THE TV ON, DONT YOU KNOW WHATS HAPPENED??" i said no so i turn on the TV and put sky news on just in time to see the 1st tower collapse, i'm like...OH MY BLEEPING GOD! WHO THE BLEEP DID THIS? KILL THE BLEEPING ANIMALS,NO MERCY!!!!

since i could see both towers were damaged i could see it was no accident and when our nations leaders told us it was bin laden and al quaeda, my attitude at the time was...WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF PLANET AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THEM, INCLUDING IRAQ!!!

why? because i believed what bush and blair said about them having the evidence to back them up and they had evidence of saddam and al qaeda links to 9/11, have you seen any evidence coz i sure haven't!
but now there so much evidence supporting the inside job theory that you have to start digging and looking for evidence, at first i was like, no way we did this to our selves, and i tried so hard to prove wrong all the people supporting the inside job theory that in the end i looked so deep i proved them right.

sigh, what more can be said about 9/11, the fact is it was state sponsored terrorism and GWB, gordon brown, tony blair, MI5 (and possibly MI6), mossad, and possibly Pakistani intelligence are all guilty of mass murder...

for crying out loud!!! the FBI carried out the 93 bombing on the WTC, the FBI agent recorded his handler on tape and released it to the press and you can clearly hear the FBI guy confirming to the agent that he was to use a live bomb, this is fact its on tape...and i still have to convince you guys it was an inside job??????

meh, they have done a good job in brainwashing you guys!




sorry bill but i'm not into porn queens

sorry jim, whats that, obama isnt serious?

is that why he had to get confirmation that he traveled to 57 states in a 50 state nation?







PS, sorry Lois my apologies, but i cant abide stupidity, it winds me up when it's that deep in people....

my bad

Obama isn't serious in that video.
NOT saying he's not serious person...!!