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How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:36 am
by ThunderCat
Defensive Potential 12,583,466,622,720,000
Assassin Capacity: 50,000
Military Systems 452,942,207 19,942,207 433,000,000
seriously, people are pretty much asking for half of their account to be decimated on ascension. especially when they have a bunch of dmu out.
[spoiler]With intent to destroy military operations, your *** Dark fleets move into *** of ***.
Your Dark fleets move quickly through ***, sneaking upon the military, fleets.
They engage in a dark war, and you emerge the victor!
*** of your Dark fleets returned to provide this report.
The following were destroyed:
Massing for 1 hit Dark planet fleets on mission: ***
Your assult strength on the enemy Intelligence planets and fleets: ***
Enemy estimated Dark defensive strength: 50000
After crushing through their Dark defences, estimated strength left for military planet and fleet eradication: ***
Enemy Invader planets eliminated: 2
Enemy Massed Invader planets eliminated: 1,994,220
Enemy Upholder planets eliminated: 0
Enemy Massed Upholder planets eliminated: 43,300,000
Own Dark planet decimated to worthless rock and destroyed by the enemy Dark planet fleets during the mission: 1[/spoiler]
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:55 am
by Lore
Few people play ascended, and therefore the newer generation has no one to teach them. They just try to dodge farmers and keep their DMU. Kinna sad really.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:41 am
by Tacet
Well, that one was taught a lesson.
But it's true - quite a few ppl don't play ascension, and many don't know how. I suspect that many are still in the mindset that ppl get massed in ascended, while in reality assassins are more often used (in my experience, at least). Our alliance tries to teach basic ascended gameplay to our members, but fact is, ppl doesn't like playing ascended very much.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:31 am
by repli**cator
well but does it even matter if you have no assasin power or if you have a lot of it..
most ppl have big levels so they would just slap up their recources planets as assassin and have a nice rank1 assassin power to have their way on your account.
i mean i atm have rank 48 in assassin but a lot of ppl could have that and much more by simply training some planets
So how much assassin power do you need on server to be 'safe'?
but agreed having 0 assassin power is plain stupid ... or just means you never inquired anyone on the workings of ascended server, or you just don't bother with it
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:39 am
by Psi Kiya Trist
people think assasins are the same as anti-covert. which isn't true...
at least that's what i think.
~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:09 am
by Tacet
Psi Kiya Trist wrote:people think assasins are the same as anti-covert. which isn't true...
at least that's what i think.
~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~
Too true. Ppl doesn't really know what assassins are, or what assassination does. Just to illustrate the misconception:
NoName wrote:Well I was sabbed again this morning.
My def went from 1 quad to 100 tril losing 71 million interlinked planets in the process. They then hit me for dmu, 1 hit, 2.7 tril.
This is taken from our alliance forums. The person in question actually inquired as to how to remedy the situation, and now has a much better setup account.
@repli**cator - I don't think you can be "safe". Even if you have rank 1 assassination, someone might hunt your assassins just to take rank 1 on. Basically I keep assassins just not to be a:
Defensive Potential 12,583,466,622,720,000
Assassin Capacity: 50,000
target.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:22 am
by repli**cator
@ Tacet, yeh but hunting assassins means you have to mass my defence first?
or can the missions be done just by having higher covert power (i might learn something here!)?
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:30 am
by Lore
repli**cator wrote:@ Tacet, yeh but hunting assassins means you have to mass my defence first?
or can the missions be done just by having higher covert power (i might learn something here!)?
it is cheaper to kill the defense to get to the assasins, but fact of the matter is, you have to cover two stats(def and assasin) to be remotely safe, the att needs only concentrate on one at a time, so if they want you, they will get you unless you are over the 5X limit.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:36 am
by Tacet
- I'm not an Ascended master by any means! But here's how I recon.
- Success on assassinations has nothing to do with covert power, only with assassination power.
- To hunt assassins you need a higher strike than the target's defence, but:
- One succesful assassination attempt takes away 10% of your defence. Take a 10 quad defence, it will go like this, where the list numbers are the number of hits, and the power is the defence power remaining:
- 9 quad
- 8.1 quad
- 7.29 quad
- 6.561 quad
- 5.9049 quad
- 5.31441 quad
- 4.782969 quad
- 4.3046721 quad
- 3.87420489 quad
- 3.486784401 quad
- Meaning that it is quite easy and cheap to get his defence down to a managable level. After that, each "hunt assassins" operation will kill some of his defence (though generally more of your attackers), and a percentage of his assassins. I'm not sure how many, though.
- There are a few 20+ quad strikes running around, so they can kill assassins rank 1 without too much of a prob.
- Again, I'm not an expert, so my logic might be buggy. Any input on this will be welcome, as I'd also like to confirm+learn.
- Lore's right. You need to cover 2 stats to be safe, and any sniper needs to cover only 1. So anything you build can be taken down, without too much trouble. Ascended can be a stat builder's nightmare...
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:38 am
by Psi Kiya Trist
Tacet wrote:Ascended can be a stat builder's nightmare...
have you been hit by a 47 quad strike yet?
<_<Psi Kiya Trist>_>
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:41 am
by Lore
Tacet wrote:- I'm not an Ascended master by any means! But here's how I recon.
- Success on assassinations has nothing to do with covert power, only with assassination power.
- To hunt assassins you need a higher strike than the target's defence, but:
- One succesful assassination attempt takes away 10% of your defence. Take a 10 quad defence, it will go like this, where the list numbers are the number of hits, and the power is the defence power remaining:
- 9 quad
- 8.1 quad
- 7.29 quad
- 6.561 quad
- 5.9049 quad
- 5.31441 quad
- 4.782969 quad
- 4.3046721 quad
- 3.87420489 quad
- 3.486784401 quad
- Meaning that it is quite easy and cheap to get his defence down to a managable level. After that, each "hunt assassins" operation will kill some of his defence (though generally more of your attackers), and a percentage of his assassins. I'm not sure how many, though.
- There are a few 20+ quad strikes running around, so they can kill assassins rank 1 without too much of a prob.
- Again, I'm not an expert, so my logic might be buggy. Any input on this will be welcome, as I'd also like to confirm+learn.
- Lore's right. You need to cover 2 stats to be safe, and any sniper needs to cover only 1. So anything you build can be taken down, without too much trouble. Ascended can be a stat builder's nightmare...
30 succesful assinations kills 94% of your att and def both, then you phase. Its way overpowered, its why no one fights any other way.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:52 am
by Tacet
@Psi Kiya Trist - nope, such a high strike is often very open to assassination - too many units in strike. Unfortunately the ppl with those strikes are in my experience ppl who farm for a living, with sick cosmic expansion rates. They generally don't care about losing a few bil planets to assassination.
Interesting playing style, but takes more time than I have.
@Lore - yep, and to put enough units into assassination to make it not worthwhile will take too much planets, you will effectively have an army with defence and assassins, but without any income. And someone will take up the challenge of breaking it down.
Overall I feel that it is best to count your losses beforehand, and to build just enough to keep out the majority of strikes, which I suspect is at about 4-8 quad atm. Wild guess, though.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:05 am
by ThunderCat
they way i see it, the assassin power should be related to the defense.
when I farm on ascended I find good dmu targets. I recon. if their defense is too high I check their assassins. if I can do it cheaply I assassinate the defense to get to the dmu.
for the average farmer on ascended who has a small strike he will not want to assassinate if the person has a high assassin power. he probably just ignores the target.
no matter how high you assassin and defense powers are, a person who is determined enough can always mass them down. however, you can make it very expensive. I would not want to mass down a defense if I knew I would take more than 100 million losses unless I was at war with whoever it was or they had tons dmu out.
having good levels is nice though, because you don't have to train up as many troops.
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:18 am
by Duderanch
ThunderCat wrote:Defensive Potential 12,583,466,622,720,000
Assassin Capacity: 50,000
Military Systems 452,942,207 19,942,207 433,000,000
seriously, people are pretty much asking for half of their account to be decimated on ascension. especially when they have a bunch of dmu out.
[spoiler]With intent to destroy military operations, your *** Dark fleets move into *** of ***.
Your Dark fleets move quickly through ***, sneaking upon the military, fleets.
They engage in a dark war, and you emerge the victor!
*** of your Dark fleets returned to provide this report.
The following were destroyed:
Massing for 1 hit Dark planet fleets on mission: ***
Your assult strength on the enemy Intelligence planets and fleets: ***
Enemy estimated Dark defensive strength: 50000
After crushing through their Dark defences, estimated strength left for military planet and fleet eradication: ***
Enemy Invader planets eliminated: 2
Enemy Massed Invader planets eliminated: 1,994,220
Enemy Upholder planets eliminated: 0
Enemy Massed Upholder planets eliminated: 43,300,000
Own Dark planet decimated to worthless rock and destroyed by the enemy Dark planet fleets during the mission: 1[/spoiler]
There are more of these guys than you think, i was out farming earlier and i saw atleast 20 accounts with 2.5 planets with 10-15 Q defences. It wouldnt be so bad if they had decent levels but they have like 2bill sometimes more in defence
Re: How did ascended get so full of these guys?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:18 am
by Cole
I see many 10-15quad defenses when I farm...and sometimes 10-15quad strikes for a single turn