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how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:22 am
by [KMA]Avenger
if you was a PM, President, King, Queen or tyrant?

the office you would hold is irrelevant in this discussion, the only thing that counts is what you would do to get your country debt free, make it prosper and fix any social problems which our govts seem incapable of doing any of the above.

nope, the first thing i would do even before walking into the PM's office and sitting in the PM's chair is to declare the bank of england an illegal institute and march the police on them and arrest the whole board and make sure they get locked up and walled in till the end of days!

but you cant jus do that. you would need to put massive thought into any replacement before doing away with the current system. whats your problem with the bank of england? (btw thats an actual question i want answered. jus wondering. no theories please, only facts :wink:

firstly, just to put your mind at ease, i'm leaving all conspiracy topics in the other thread where they belong :wink:
2ndly, the bank of england (just as is the federal reserve in america) is a 100% independent, privately owned for profit bank which is unaccountable to either the PM, the parliament and/or the people of the UK.
if the banks governor or board do something the country doesn't like (like raise interest rates or raises taxes) thats tough crap cuz its a private bank and can do what the hell they like.
when you see on TV the PM summoning the governor of the bank of england its a joke because he doesn't answer to the PM he answer to the major shareholders of the bank, to be more clear, the governor can stick 2 fingers up at the PM and theres not a damn thing the PM can do about it.

the way govt borrowing works is like this (watered down version)...

the govt needs X amount so it goes to the treasury (which is part of the govt) and gets them to issue a bond (a bond is a promise to pay) that bond is either passed on to the bank of england which issues cash in return or is exchanged with a foreign nation and cash is raised that way...if the treasury can issue bonds why can it not issue DEBT free cash?
if a govt issued its own cash rather than BORROWING it from a private bank, the nation would grow very prosperous very quickly. taxes would be minimal, the cost of living would remain stable for many years and the income tax as well as the council tax could be scrapped.
so how would you get the nation to accept the new currency in the blinking of an eye?
declare that only the NEW currency is good for the payment of taxes thereby creating instant demand for the new currency.



step 2...issue govt backed debt free notes and freeze all prices until i get an audit on the every aspect of the cost of living. if the treasury can issue bonds then they can issue money, both are a promise to pay.

if you freeze all prices wouldn't loads of business go under? if their costs go up and they have to sell at a set price. . .

it could be more sensible to freeze some prices such as for essential goods and subsidize the freeze by raising the price of luxury goods (goods that only the rich buy and would continue to buy)?


why would their costs go up if ALL prices have been frozen?
as for taxing luxery goods, no i wouldnt tax luxury goods, i would place a perma tax on the rich's earnings.
it wouldn't be a blanket tax, i would have brackets and place the wealthy in those brackets and tax them according to their wealth. that tax would then be spent into the economy via public works, spreading even more wealth to the people and creating even more job opportunities.


step 3...close the boarders and get the army home where i would disband the standing army as there is no need for it other than to wage war.

closing the borders would be a good thing to do for a short while to get things under control. but its hard to deny asylum due to out international commitments. when the borders are reopened they should be more controlled.

there are many opinions as to what to do with the borders and immigration problem, i would be in favor of a points system, so someone who is fleeing persecution is granted immediate asylum but is contained in some kind of camp till such time as is safe for them to return to their own nation.
as for economic migrants, i would open the border once a year and it would be on a 1st come 1st served basis, subject to how many points each applicant scores.
i would also install some severe punishments for anyone seeking to get in to the country via illegal means for selfish reasons.

a standing army is essential. would you leave us defenceless if iran decided to attack in the future? if russia decided to flex its muscles? the uk couldnt sit at the worlds top table without a capable military. would your disarmament include our nuclear deterrent? doing so puts the uk out of the great powers and relegates us to the list of countries who cannot stop a nuclear aggressor. the deterrent is jus that. without it other nations could attack knowing we couldnt respond in kind. it may be fine for a while but i believe it would leave the future generations vulnerable and thats unforgivable. you never know what might happen.

also, disbanding the army would instantly place 1/4 million (at least!) people out of work. with that many trained soldiers unemployed there would be huge repercussions.


in the present worlds political climate, i would NOT be in favour of nuclear disarmament, that would be EXTREMELY short sighted and stupid to say the least.
disbanding the standing army is a good idea, that doesn't mean i would dismantle the entire military, all it means is you cut off the militarys ambitions and return it to an organization of defence and not the aggressive expansionist institute it now is.
also, you may or may not know it but the military is being more and more privatized and serves more as a strong arm for private interests than for the defence of the nation.

one thing i would do with our armed forces is have a zero tolerance policy. if we are attacked or directly threatened we take the gloves off and strike hard. id gradually withdraw from iraq/afganistan depending on the situation on the ground. if we dont have the ability to attack rogue states they will not fear the consequences of any terrible actions they take. id increase diplomacy with rogue states to solve more things peacefully. the military threat of the uk armed forces would bring these states to the table and make them more open to dialogue. uk says to iran ''dont build nukes'' iran says ''or what?'' uk says ''er''

iraq and afghanistan is a mess no doubt, i wouldnt make any calls of any kind till i had the facts, i know i have said to end the war in other threads and i stand by those statements.
the situation is very complex and so long as we continue stealing the resources of those countrys and if we continue to allow the growing of poppys in afghanistan, things will never improve.
which is where the military serving private interests comes into it.

id make it compulsory for all children to join the beavers then the army cadet force(or air cadets/sea cadets/CCF) this is not to train them in fighting or anything sinister. it would teach respect and would build good character within our youth. the cadet force would do many other things also such as study for qualifications, go on trips, do sport, community projects etc. i believe that this will start to mend the violent culture among our youth. your thoughts on this paragraph?

i think thats an excellent idea :-)
respect has taken a major step in the wrong direction over the past 30 years and i think you have just solved the social problem of the UK. my only condition would be that the standing army is disbanded and that these cadet institutions in no way glorify the army.


step 4 (or maybe step 1 :lol: ) find somewhere to hide cuz no doubt they will try and have me assassinated :-D

hire the A-TEAM :lol:

got there number by any chance? :P

i know its not as simple as i make it sound but thats it in a nutshell. [color=#FF0000]nothing ever is as simple in reality as on paper :(

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:19 pm
by Colton
I didn't realize how long that was until I read it all lol, free bump :D

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:28 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
Jack wrote:Ermmm feeling a bit schizo today, Avenger? :?





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LiQuiD wrote:
[KMA]Avenger wrote:nope, the first thing i would do even before walking into the PM's office and sitting in the PM's chair is to declare the bank of england an illegal institute and march the police on them and arrest the whole board and make sure they get locked up and walled in till the end of days!

but you cant jus do that. you would need to put massive thought into any replacement before doing away with the current system. whats your problem with the bank of england? (btw thats an actual question i want answered. jus wondering. no theories please, only facts :wink:

step 2...issue govt backed debt free notes and freeze all prices until i get an audit on the every aspect of the cost of living. if the treasury can issue bonds then they can issue money, both are a promise to pay.

if you freeze all prices wouldnt loads of business go under? if their costs go up and they have to sell at a set price. . .

it could be more sensible to freeze some prices such as for essential goods and subsidize the freeze by raising the price of luxury goods (goods that only the rich buy and would continue to buy)?


step 3...close the boarders and get the army home where i would disband the standing army as there is no need for it other than to wage war.

closing the borders would be a good thing to do for a short while to get things under control. but its hard to deny asylum due to out international commitments. when the borders are reopened they should be more controlled.

a standing army is essential. would you leave us defenceless if iran decided to attack in the future? if russia decided to flex its muscles? the uk couldnt sit at the worlds top table without a capable military. would your disarmament include our nuclear deterrent? doing so puts the uk out of the great powers and relegates us to the list of countries who cannot stop a nuclear aggressor. the deterrent is jus that. without it other nations could attack knowing we couldnt respond in kind. it may be fine for a while but i believe it would leave the future generations vulnerable and thats unforgivable. you never know what might happen.

also, disbanding the army would instantly place 1/4 million (at least!) people out of work. with that many trained soldiers unemployed there would be huge repercussions.

one thing i would do with our armed forces is have a zero tolerance policy. if we are attacked or directly threatened we take the gloves off and strike hard. id gradually withdraw from iraq/afganistan depending on the situation on the ground. if we dont have the ability to attack rogue states they will not fear the consequences of any terrible actions they take. id increase diplomacy with rogue states to solve more things peacefully. the military threat of the uk armed forces would bring these states to the table and make them more open to dialogue. uk says to iran ''dont build nukes'' iran says ''or what?'' uk says ''er''

id make it compulsory for all children to join the beavers then the army cadet force(or air cadets/sea cadets/CCF) this is not to train them in fighting or anything sinister. it would teach respect and would build good character within our youth. the cadet force would do many other things also such as study for qualifications, go on trips, do sport, community projects etc. i believe that this will start to mend the violent culture among our youth. your thoughts on this paragraph?


step 4 (or maybe step 1 :lol: ) find somewhere to hide cuz no doubt they will try and have me assassinated :-D

hire the A-TEAM :lol:

i know its not as simple as i make it sound but thats it in a nutshell. nothing ever is as simple in reality as on paper :(


Kit-Fox wrote:my didnt we go off-topic for a while and take one hell of a tangent.

Anywho for those who still believe in facial recognition, plrease read the following


yup i think we did, but in a constructive, related way :-D

and i read the linked article. it clearly states its a monitored trial. the technology is advancing. eventually once the cards are out for a while they tech will most likely be 'perfected' as lois said. the transition between worrking and working perfectly can be managed like the self service checkouts such as they have in asda now. they have many self-use checkouts and one employee monitoring them. you can have many facial recognition devices with one person watching over them. after all a human is the best security as they see things a computer might miss.

LegendaryApophis wrote:I think iris one is the best...not scary like chips, not fakeable like handprints, and hmm facial recognition using a mask think about it :lol:

As for DNA...who knows...cloning could exist and make it unuseful.

lol the iris one is good but id be scared someone would steal my eye. a combination of bio-tests would be best (fingerprint, iris, facial recognition).

hmmm if cloning is used in the future that could make checks hard. but even genetic twins are distinguishable from each other in ways. theres another clever technology coming as well. it recognises the way a person walks and can pick them out. believe it or not but a persons walk is quite unique to them. although someone may be able to moonwalk through all kind scrutiny with that one :-D
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Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:51 pm
by Deaths_Rider
well i like your idea about disbandeing the army but personally i would keep the air force, navy and SAS as well as a small chunk of the current funding that would have gone to the army into these three. the rest into a much better law and order system inculding better funding for the police force and DPP. i would also like to extend the army reserve numbers it would work like it does now only 5 hours service a week but have more people this both protects you from possible attack and takes away the chance to invade others for suspect reasons as unlike soildiers reseverists are not bound to leave the country and if your army wonnt go you cant invade

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:46 pm
by Thriller
what i learned from this thread....
Never ever vote for avenger

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:58 am
by velya
*presses button*

:shock:

*walks away slowly*

wasn't me

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:05 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Thriller wrote:what i learned from this thread....
Never ever vote for avenger


so you advocate the status quo and not change for a better world...

is that what your telling me?

i'm not asking you vote for me, what i do ask is that you take a good look at the world, a world where we are born and from an early age are placed on a hamster wheel and all taught to go chasing the same buck!
and just what is it we are chasing? a piece of paper with some ink on it!

your welcomed to that world because in that world people are left behind!
money, war, famine and poverty are all outdated concepts, there is no reason for any of it.
we should ALL be living in a world of abundance, not scarcity. scarcity is what is created by the corporations and the elite to keep everyone in the dark by creating greed.
we have the knowledge, resources and technical ability to create abundance for all, and yet how many millions if not billions of people world wide live in fear of where their next meal is going to come from?

you want to live in ignorance and fear of change, that's your business but don't assume those who have no food and have to watch their children die want YOUR world. you can stay in your world but i prefer mine where not a single man, woman or child in the entire world is left behind.

we all create this world of scarcity by supporting its continued existence, don't you think its time for change?

think about that real hard before you post something so ignorant again.

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:21 am
by Tyber Zann
LMAO

ah my ribs ache... :lol:

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:22 am
by [KMA]Avenger
whats so funny?

:?

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:34 am
by Tyber Zann
the governor can stick 2 fingers up at the PM and theres not a damn thing the PM can do about it.


my mistake I read it wrong. thought it said stick 2fingers up the PM.

I prefer the later :D bought me a laugh.

*back to reading*

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:42 am
by [KMA]Avenger
stick 2 fingers up the PM!


lmao :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:23 am
by Colton
:shock:

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:38 pm
by Thriller
[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Thriller wrote:what i learned from this thread....
Never ever vote for avenger


so you advocate the status quo and not change for a better world...

is that what your telling me?

i'm not asking you vote for me, what i do ask is that you take a good look at the world, a world where we are born and from an early age are placed on a hamster wheel and all taught to go chasing the same buck!
and just what is it we are chasing? a piece of paper with some ink on it!

your welcomed to that world because in that world people are left behind!
money, war, famine and poverty are all outdated concepts, there is no reason for any of it.
we should ALL be living in a world of abundance, not scarcity. scarcity is what is created by the corporations and the elite to keep everyone in the dark by creating greed.
we have the knowledge, resources and technical ability to create abundance for all, and yet how many millions if not billions of people world wide live in fear of where their next meal is going to come from?

you want to live in ignorance and fear of change, that's your business but don't assume those who have no food and have to watch their children die want YOUR world. you can stay in your world but i prefer mine where not a single man, woman or child in the entire world is left behind.

we all create this world of scarcity by supporting its continued existence, don't you think its time for change?

think about that real hard before you post something so ignorant again.


I see you have forgotten all the thorns along our history. Movies may glorify the past and hold it to up noble ideas but it wasn't little more than 100 years ago that the whole world worried about where their next meal was coming from. Give it some time avenger. human progress is a slow mechanism.

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:44 am
by [KMA]Avenger
the problem is this, its not human progress thats slow, its the average persons willingness to change from accepting things as they are to demanding better government (not more government) and a real demand for change.

we each moan about 1 thing or other (depending on what is affecting us most) but we do little to hold our leaders to account...
maybe we should take a page or 3 out of the founding fathers book.

the world is not as complex as many make it out to be, its really simple if you think about it.

what i would like to see most is a united peoples front against the tyrants that now control our countrys and for an end to war because there really is no need for it.

we are in an age now that is more advanced than what we are being led to believe and we can feed every man woman and child as well as cloth and house them, so why are we still dropping bombs on countrys instead of helping those countrys become self sufficient?

for example, etheopia is one of the poorest countrys on the planet and yet they have a massive coffee industry due to the fact they grow the best coffee beans in the world, and yet the people are starving and are forced to rip up the coffee plants and grow drugs which they sell in the markets because its more profitable due to the fact that companys like Starbucks keep the price of coffee beans artificially low while they charge the earth for a cup of coffee.

lets look at afghanistan:

pre 1980 when the US was funding the afghans war against the soviets, not a single poppy grew in that country, when the taliban came to power they supplied 40% of the worlds heroin, its now a well known fact that afghanistan now provides 90% of the worlds heroin...coincidence?

i'm pretty sure those poppys are not being grown in underground or mountainside caves!

i see the world differently than most because i care what happens to someone on the other side of the planet even tho i've never met that person...

i'm not some tree hugging hippie, but its well past time we started caring and demanding REAL change, a complete 180 for all our sakes.
its down to us to not only demand but to make sure that real change happens because politicians on both sides are not interested in change and only maintain the status quo, example...

every american president since LBJ has said exactly the same thing within 2 years of taking office..."we reluctantly go to war", every single one of those presidents has had to fight (reluctantly of course) some enemy or other in the name of world peace...

its a good job they are not fighting in the name of war otherwise they would have nuked us (all in the name of peace) already!

Re: how would you fix things...

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:30 pm
by Thriller
[KMA]Avenger wrote:the world is not as complex as many make it out to be, its really simple if you think about it.


This sentence says alot