StarGateWars Forums

who here thinks Obama will be a breath of fresh air?

me personally, i know he's been bought and payed for by the same corporations who bought out McLame and i see no change (for the better) coming anytime soon, the only question is...how long before he (reluctantly and all in the name of preserving the peace of course) goes to war with another country???

My view on Obama

1. He has the second most liberal voting record in the senate

2. He ran for senate saying he would lower taxes and voted against doing so or for tax increases 92 times

3. He has the most disgusting of relationships from black liberation theology and Reverend Wright to Bill Airs and the Weather underground terrorist.

4. He wasn’t honest about his associations and it took the entire campaign to even find the truth about some, that must be concerning even if you don't care about the associations he clearly was not forth coming.

5. He voted against protecting the life of a child that had been born in a botched abortion. This is infanticide no matter how you cut it.

6. He wants to tax the rich and then give some of the money to people who don't even pay taxes which is clearly a new form welfare.

7. He voted against funding the troops while they were at war.

8. His own wife has made many strong comments that should tell us what he thinks of America.

9. He has almost no experience and this by itself isn’t unheard of because Regan was great and he didn’t have much experience but even when Obama was in officer he voted present on many very important issues. If he can’t be bothered to take a stand one way or another in the senate what happens when he as President needs to make a decision.

10. When Russia invaded Republic of Georgia, he said that Georgia should show restraint. rather than denouncing the actions of Russia against one of our closest allies.

11. He has said many times that he would meet with enemies of America without preconditions.

12. Anytime either party has this much power across the board it is very bad. The DEMs now control the house, the senate, and the Whitehouse.

13. He believes that Supreme Court judges should be required to be measured by a liftmen’s test. Basically they should be asked where they stand politically rather than where they stand experientially.

14. He attended a church that supported black liberation theology and claims to have never noticed. How can that not worry you, because this guy must be completely devoid of reason?

15. He will elect if able to Judges that legislate from the bench and are extremely left winged.

16. He changes his mind more then my wife during her period.

Give me some time and I will think up more thats just what is in my head now.

well, at least you Americans got to vote, all be it from a limited pool of candidates, we brits got Gordon Brown without anyone voting for him, on top of that...nobody wanted him in the first place!!!

both the US ad the UK could do with a clean sweep of all its politicians and that includes our leaders!

well maybe with the exceptions of George Galloway for the UK and Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich for the US

I do want to be clear though that once he is swroned in as our president he will ahve my complete support and I will respect and honor him as the leader of our country.

Let me also say this though, that does not mean I want be critical or suspicious, I will just do it with respect not forgetting he is my leader

i dont see how you can justify that, i could understand that if we lived in an ideal world where corruption is either minimal or non existent...

example, both gordon brown and tony blair before him, did nothing to deserve either support or any kind of trust but the whole country got swept away by the "New Labor" rhetoric and what we got was more of the same and now even worse than what we've had in ANY previous time in british politics...
all forms of crime are on the rise, the british cultural identity is virtually non-existent, inflation is threw the roof and last but by no means least...corruption in all arrears of govt knows no bounds.

mark my words, obama does NOT offer any kind of change and you will get more of the same, all be it with a different color bow on the box (if you follow my meaning), so please someone explain to me why we should continue to support a system which is a proven failure simply because a different RICH Awhole now occupies the whitehouse?

with regards to the US presidency, there's only 1 blackman i would have trusted as leader and that was Martin Luther King (my he rest in peace), he's the only one whose been in politics i would have trusted.
as for whitemen, only ron paul, dennis kucinich and jesse ventura come to mind...

jesse (the body) ventura as prez and either RP or DK as VP...now thats what you call a kickarse team

well the president was elected through fair and open election and the voice of the people was heard. He does not need to earn my respect he has by way of his title. As of what he may do, just because I honor and respect him doesnt mean I won't stand against bad decisions or use the brain God has given me to decide if agree with the decisions he makes.

We ahve a process of governement that I can still be apart of and I still as a citzen have say in waht happens no matter the president.

the problem lays in the fact that you only have the choice that both major parties put forward, which is not much of a choice at all, especially in a system where it professes to be open to all.
what they should say is, "you can run all you like but you cant be prez unless your one of the 2 main parties chosen candidates, rich and if you run as an independent you wont stand a chance in hell for many and obvious reasons"...

if a blackman or an independent standing in the street suddenly decided to run for prez, could get all the support he needs to be prez and wins, then i will say that the system is fair and open to all.

a choice of either 1 awhole or another is still a choice for an awhole, regardless of his party....

but dont think i'm pointing fingers just at the america system because the british one is just as flawed if not more so!

I like the two party system because it is not hard to fit into one and have opposing views to the party you affliated with. The two party system provides a great deal of balance and order in washington. It is what keeps the politicians at least somewhat in line, because what they do effects the entire party so the party makes sure to put pressure on them to do the will of the people or at least the people who support that party. This creates a perfect mixture of opposing views and requires dialogues to be opened.

The strange thing is when people align with the wrong parties because of a misunderstanding of the main views. This confusion is sometimes even caused by the parties them self to appeal to those who don't think like minded.

For instance from what I gather about your views Avenger is that you would be most like a republican given your afinity for freedom from governement. You seem to want smaller governement and less people telling you what to do. This is a major principle of the republicans although they dont always follow unforunatly. However I wouldnt be surprised if you aligned yourself more as a democrat because of social issues.

after gaining a better understanding of what the founding fathers tried to do, i thought about how i stand and with which party i would sooner vote for and to be honest, i wouldn't vote for any of them, they are all traitors to the founding fathers principles and especially treasonous to the constitution, which they take an oath to uphold, and yet when they declare it "just another goddamn piece of paper" they still don't get punished.

i've always considered myself a conservative but i would sooner live under the constitution as a republican (me wonders why when i see on TV, american politicians, why they keep saying you guys live in a democracy ) that the founding fathers gave so much to make a reality, which every prez since Woodrow Wilson (with the exception of JFK) has done their damnedest to crap all over that magnificent document. none more so than GWB, and Obama will do the same and maybe worse.

i hate the govt system in its present form and i know for a fact it does more harm than good, regardless of the country. but what i hate most is that, no matter how much worse things get, we still swallow its crap, and just like Oliver Twist, we go back and ask for more.

as for the UK, well my thoughts are even stronger...think the character 'V" on steroids.
if i had the chance to unleash my wrath on not only parliament and the crown, but the church as well-it would know no bounds.

I am also a conservative and as such vote and work within the republic party, I think once we have four years of Obama we will see a new resurgance of conservative values just like after clinton and we can hope at that point that when we are given the chance we will do a better job then we have the past 8yrs. I will give Bush credit though he apointed two very strong strict construstionalist judges.

As an Australian, my opinion, as always, is objective.

First of all, Obama won the election ~ That cannot be changed ~

And He won for a key reason, People dont want another "Bush" style government.

Wether or not Obama is going to be a fresh smell for the USA is better than the old smell.


@ the whiners of tax. - Tax is a GOOD thing. It increases government budgets, and thus more money for development. Whining should go into how tax money is spent. For example, all the dollars in campaign budgets....could be used for better things, Say, for schools, education, Lowing the Gap between the poor and rich, overall making the world a better place.

[spoiler]

TheWay wrote:My view on Obama

1. He has the second most liberal voting record in the senate

2. He ran for senate saying he would lower taxes and voted against doing so or for tax increases 92 times

3. He has the most disgusting of relationships from black liberation theology and Reverend Wright to Bill Airs and the Weather underground terrorist.

4. He wasn’t honest about his associations and it took the entire campaign to even find the truth about some, that must be concerning even if you don't care about the associations he clearly was not forth coming.

5. He voted against protecting the life of a child that had been born in a botched abortion. This is infanticide no matter how you cut it.

6. He wants to tax the rich and then give some of the money to people who don't even pay taxes which is clearly a new form welfare.

7. He voted against funding the troops while they were at war.

8. His own wife has made many strong comments that should tell us what he thinks of America.

9. He has almost no experience and this by itself isn’t unheard of because Regan was great and he didn’t have much experience but even when Obama was in officer he voted present on many very important issues. If he can’t be bothered to take a stand one way or another in the senate what happens when he as President needs to make a decision.

10. When Russia invaded Republic of Georgia, he said that Georgia should show restraint. rather than denouncing the actions of Russia against one of our closest allies.

11. He has said many times that he would meet with enemies of America without preconditions.

12. Anytime either party has this much power across the board it is very bad. The DEMs now control the house, the senate, and the Whitehouse.

13. He believes that Supreme Court judges should be required to be measured by a liftmen’s test. Basically they should be asked where they stand politically rather than where they stand experientially.

14. He attended a church that supported black liberation theology and claims to have never noticed. How can that not worry you, because this guy must be completely devoid of reason?

15. He will elect if able to Judges that legislate from the bench and are extremely left winged.

16. He changes his mind more then my wife during her period.

Give me some time and I will think up more thats just what is in my head now.

[/spoiler]

1. Irrelevant. Its not the man who makes the country, its the people in the country, who makes the man. Its the Team not the individual.

2. You have to define what type of tax he wanted to reduce, Reducing tax of poorer people, raising tax on the rich.

3. I know your a Christian, so Im pulling a religion card, Who did Jesus associate himself with? ( On no account im suggesting that obama is like jesus, its just, if you ever said hi or even had a somewhat of a relationship with a terrorist, goth, or any "despised" , Idiots declare you as one of them...


4. Maybe he is honest, maybe you just dont want to listen what he is saying, just maybe he is saying the truth.

5. Literally who cares? Abortions should be illegal, and thus, no blotches.

6. The rich are too rich anyway.

7. There shouldn't of been a war in the first place. Having a war on terrorism is the same as fighting for peace, or having sex to gain virginity.
War itself is terrorism.

8. His wife is his wife, or you can take it the other way, he is her husband. Her and Him, are two separate identities.

9. They say, old men, make old mistakes. Do we really want to be stuck in a rut of continually mismanaging everything.

10. Still doesnt really count for anything, He was being politically correct.

11. I would to.

12. Absolute power corrupts.

13. Both should be done.

14. Who cares?

15. Being left winged is better than right winged. However, a middle is needed. FYI is McCain was elected, he would have right winged judges... works both ways.


16. Now that's a debate within itself.

Mister Sandman wrote:@ the whiners of tax. - Tax is a GOOD thing. It increases government budgets, and thus more money for development. Whining should go into how tax money is spent. For example, all the dollars in campaign budgets....could be used for better things, Say, for schools, education, Lowing the Gap between the poor and rich, overall making the world a better place.

i don't think you understand why taxes exist in the first place.

please explain to me why we have taxes, and their purpose.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Mister Sandman wrote:@ the whiners of tax. - Tax is a GOOD thing. It increases government budgets, and thus more money for development. Whining should go into how tax money is spent. For example, all the dollars in campaign budgets....could be used for better things, Say, for schools, education, Lowing the Gap between the poor and rich, overall making the world a better place.

i don't think you understand why taxes exist in the first place.

please explain to me why we have taxes, and their purpose.

Taxes are necessary to fund governments and government organisations.
It is also "take" from the rich and give to the poor, in thus striving to keep the basic human rights for everyone.

Its overall purpose is in order to benefit the country and its people.

However, taxes do leak into campaign budgets so we may slander our fellow man, just to get our way..

This is dishonourable and thus tax dollars are wasted.

Tax is good! Thus why you see countries with higher tax rates... have better life expectancies...

Hence, why Cuba ( A communist nation) has a better health care system than the USA, and overall better life expectancy.

ok, now what if i was to tell you that our tax money doesn't do any of the above but is in fact a security interest?

the way govt, tax and our money works is very simply designed to keep the masses impoverished and in no way does any of the above.

as i've explained in other topics, the govt needs "X" amount of money for whatever reason, the govt department known as the treasury issues a bond which our central bank accepts as a promise to pay (or is exchanged with another nation for cash), the central bank would NOT accept the bond as a promise to pay if the promise to pay is not secured by direct taxation of the people, the tax's we pay go towards the national debt...how can a nation be in debt, and to whom would it be indebted?

the answer is very simple, our national central banks, IE. the bank of england, is a privately owned for profit corporation and 100% independent of govt.

now, cash money and bonds are 1 and the same, both are a promise to pay, if our govts can issue promises to pay in the form of a bond, why can they not do away with the central bank and issue hard cash themselves thereby removing the need for most taxes?

if our govts issued the cash themselves and spent that money into the economy by creating public works, such as new more modern buildings, better public roads and travel routes for pedestrians and cyclists ETC, the list of public works you or our govts could implement are to numerous to list but that should give you an idea of the immediate benefits to removing the central banks as guardians of our money system.

there are additional benefits to govts issuing the money, aside from public works, we would have a much better and more modern educational system, even better health care, less corruption in govt, more affordable and better housing, virtually no inflation/deflation/depression, MANY more better payed jobs, much less crime and so on and so forth.

the money would recirculate via direct taxation of certain products and services, but because there would be no debt to pay this tax would be extremely small compared to the taxes we now have, and there would be no need to tax the people, regardless of wealth lvl. taxing the rich to give to the poor is a fallacy, a creation of the bankers and govt to give us the false belief that taxes tho despised, do have some good to them.

the banking system has been designed to fail as evidenced with the resent global economic turmoil, remove our central banks and reduce high street banks to cheque clearing houses and you will have a much better and more stable economy and a more responsible govt...

and unless a PM or prez steps up and removes the central bank system, they are all the same regardless of their party or corruption lvl.

FYI your getting off topic.

But I will continue.

Money isn't just a security, its a tool.
Compare money with an axe, it provides security against people, also I can be used to cut down trees in order to make things.

Money can provide services, such as lending credit, building infrastructure and so on....

The banking system, should not fail, if it were managed properly. All in all the economy needs sustainable growth. And yet again, that's another argument.

Bring it back to taxes, and the importance of taxes, without taxes we would have a fully capitalist system. Everyone looking our for No.1 (themselves), described as economic Darwinism, all in all people are far too stupid to manage global issues. Take for example Global Warming, there are no REAL restrictions implanted throughout all the countries to reduce green house gas production. Hence why people need a government. To make sure that everyone gets basic human rights, that large decisions are taken appropriately and that everyone is accountable for their actions.