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SuperSaiyan wrote:Logic tells me to think that because people will want to prevent the end, they will work to make things better, ultimately leading to the end of things as we know it today and beginning a time of prosperity, the logic is there, but is that reality?

Mankind is too damn self centered, greedy for that to ever happen. If anything it'd make things worse.

one often meets his destiny on the road to avoid it...

the worlld is ment to end in 2012 or the end is coming however you may put it ya have loads of lil theories out there so lets begin

1) a balck president will be the end of the world america just got obama leader of the "free world" as we know it
Don't be Racist, I hate him as much as anyone else but you respect the man and you respect the office are we clear?

2) that temple been built in the middle east where anbother 1 stand(cant member the name), well the middle east is currently starting to go to war
Dome on the Rock, get an education before you blast out points, and the middle east has been at war for the last millenia.

3) there is 2 black holes in the center of the milkyway if they hit each other what will happen?
All evidence points to the existence of one supermassive blackhole, and if there were 2 in the center of the milky way they would have to be of equal size to maintain a stable galactic structure and as a result would exert equal force and never collide



This has been a friendly message from the Locust Queen, I'd post my thoughts but why not just mod them in anyways?

spell check before you try and make an argument, its helps what little credibility you may have.

Oh and I doubt that the Mayan calender predicts are doom, it marks the end of a cycle in their mythology, the only cycle that actually physically existed because they invented the ones before it for their mythos. And to further discredit them, their concept and understanding of the world came to an abrupt end by 1546. The fact that so many prophecies mathematically predict doomsday in 2012 is circumstantial. If you want to say that this will end on this date, and that these sources already tell us this, you can find the mathematical equation that gives you that answer. Its not that hard, math is a tool of man, not of destiny. Oh and Nostradamus, mister vaguey mcvague vague? Any prophecy can be manipulated to fit a certain set of events.

tackless shadow wrote:the worlld is ment to end in 2012 or the end is coming however you may put it ya have loads of lil theories out there so lets begin

1) a balck president will be the end of the world america just got obama leader of the "free world" as we know it
Don't be Racist, I hate him as much as anyone else but you respect the man and you respect the office are we clear?

2) that temple been built in the middle east where anbother 1 stand(cant member the name), well the middle east is currently starting to go to war
Dome on the Rock, get an education before you blast out points, and the middle east has been at war for the last millenia.

3) there is 2 black holes in the center of the milkyway if they hit each other what will happen?
All evidence points to the existence of one supermassive blackhole, and if there were 2 in the center of the milky way they would have to be of equal size to maintain a stable galactic structure and as a result would exert equal force and never collide



This has been a friendly message from the Locust Queen, I'd post my thoughts but why not just mod them in anyways?

im not been Racist i could of worded it worse its not an office i have to respect since i aint american, i dont hate him

dont tell me to get an education because i forget a few words or names and i know the middle east has been at war for the last millenia the hole world has been

i only said there was 2 in the center cause i showed a friend when she didnt hear bout it and i read it on some nasa site!

Semper wrote:one often meets his destiny on the road to avoid it...

I think your wrong here, people want this to happen. It's more like manifest destiny

i very much dont believe in all these prophecies and predictions of doom. how would some random ancient people know enough about anything to accurately predict the end of the world? they wouldnt is the answer. when something is backed up with science then ill be more likely to believe the apocalypse is coming.

its always the way with these things that if the world doesnt end when predicted, a new and later date will be set. the error will then be blamed on a slight mistake/miscalculation and believers will insist the new date is in fact the correct one. this is repeated often. one cult comes to mind where like 6 new dates were fabricated when the world failed to end on time

tackless shadow wrote:there is 2 black holes in the center of the milkyway if they hit each other what will happen?

i also believe there is only 1 black hole.


the only way i can see the world ending in 2012 is if the uk olympics firework display gets out of hand, russia thinks the roman candle is an ICBM and nuclear Armageddon ensues.

I do believe that the current theory regarding the centre of spiral galaxies like our own is that there are many small back hholes all exerting pressures on each other (essentially creating one large black hole for all intents and purposes)

Anywho back onto the idea of impending doom, its unlikely that the world (read:planet) will be destroyed unless some super powerful alian race comes along and does it Humans could certainly be wiped out however, mostly by our own hand I would imagine rather than by nature.

Is this doom at hand and near by? possible i suppose, we cant predict the future. It is however really stupidly unlikely to happen anytime soon so I dont think we need to worry.

really? many black holes. tis interesting.

man there are so many ways we could be destroyed:
#super volcano
#gamma ray burst
#big rock hitting us
#nuclear war
#plague
#global warming (causing Eskimos to abandon ice to conquer the planet)
#and surprisingly, alien life contaminating earth and wiping mr human out. there is actually a branch of nasa whos sole aim is to prevent this.

none of these are really predictable even with modern knowledge. so an ancient ppl with little science would do no better in foretelling disasters yet to come [said in voice of gandalf]

personally i wouldnt mind a plague, assuming i survive. ive seen a lot of post-plague films/tv and it looks like fun. although the locusts would be annoying.

2012 is said to be the year that a galactic AND planetary alignment is supposed to happen.

why don't you try looking for the last instance of galactic alignment, as well as any corresponding cataclysm that occurred at the same time, in the past, and then we can base our assumptions on historical data instead of allowing our paranoia and/or enthusiastically whipping the horse ragged just so we can happily race towards our morbidly doomed destined?

edit: and even if there is going to be a cataclysmic effect, it doesn't necessarily mean that Earth will feel the side effects of a galactic alignment as soon as it happens. we can never know.

yellowstone was the super volcano i mentioned. the thought of that thing going off scares me

i did some reading on this galactic alignment and it jus seems like another natural process which has happened many times with no obvious effects. i personally dont see how it could have unusual (devastating) effects anyway.

it also depends on which alignment you are talking about. . .

from wiki

The galactic alignment can refer to several different astronomical and astrological phenomena.

The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998

would that mean we were destroyed in 1998 and didnt realise?

weilandsmith wrote:edit: and even if there is going to be a cataclysmic effect, it doesn't necessarily mean that Earth will feel the side effects of a galactic alignment as soon as it happens. we can never know.

so this is the 'get-out' clause which would allow people to maintain they were right and set a new date when the world fails to end


can anyone tell me how this alignment could cause the world to end? no fairy tales please, only facts and sense.

banzai

true many people will take this doom thing to heart and panic

SuperSaiyan wrote:the prophecies don't say life will end, they state that life as we know it will change not end just change, instead of being fossil fuel burning fools, people could become more interested in the environment and improve that planet with new eco-friendly tech,

therefor life as we knew it would end, and change into a possibly better one....

life as we know it is always changing and the change is not on the level of a world ending disaster. think electricity, antibiotics, cars, powered flight, computing etc. these things changed the world massively yet they did so without a prophecy. is this a situation where any big change in the coming years will be attributed to an arbitrary event like the alignment? that wouldnt seem very sensible to me. . .

*continues digging bunker and stockpiling reggae reggae sauce + hot pockets

Keep staying positive SS

@ LC, I don't think anyone should be allowed to edit someone else's post like that, and then insult them right after.. o_O

Personally, I can't wait to find out what happens.. 'long as it doesn't involve this destruction mumbojumbo.. *Has a Banjo-Kazooie flashback *

been trying to think of what to say in this thread for a few days now lol

personally, i think something will happen on december 21 2012, but seriously doubt it will the doom predicted by so many.
there's also WAAAY to much speculation about this impending event and WAAAY to many crackpot theories from holographic alien invasions staged by the all powerful state (look up project bluebeam), to the earth being torn apart by gravity induced from the center of the galaxy due to the galactic alignment of the center with our solar system...or some such nonsense!

wasn't there a cult a few years back that all committed suicide because the end was nigh?

LiQuiD wrote:
none of these are really predictable even with modern knowledge. so an ancient ppl with little science would do no better in foretelling disasters yet to come [said in voice of gandalf]

don't sell the ancients short mate, they did indeed have advanced knowledge of both science (all sciences) and maths, you only have to look at ancient structures, the maps from the ancient world which clearly shows they knew about longitude and latitude. they also had advanced knowledge of the solar system and the orbits of the planets as well as the size and shape of our planet, which is locked within the mathematical dimensions of the great pyramid of egypt.
these are things that were only rediscovered by modern man and NOT invented by modern scientists.

you may want to look up things like the Antikythera mechanism (a device invented to track the planets course in our solar system, possibly the first computer EVER invented, and no electricity in sight!).

and also look up the piri reese maps. piri reise was a turkish admiral who served in the turkish ottoman fleet and he drew up maps of many parts of the world but 1 part he drew up was of antartica!
that's not so astonishing in itself, but what is astonishing is that he wrote on this map that he drew up his maps from ancient source maps held in turkish libraries, and that piri's map like the ancient source maps show antartica clear of ice!
you have to ask yourself, when was antartica last clear of ice, and also how the ancients could have depicted both mountain ranges and inland rivers accurately if there science was so limited.

the Hapgood letters about the maps:

[spoiler]The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.

On 6th July 1960 the U. S. Air Force responded to Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College, specifically to his request for an evaluation of the ancient Piri Reis Map:

6, July, 1960
Subject: Admiral Piri Reis Map
TO: Prof. Charles H. Hapgood
Keene College
Keene, New Hampshire

Dear Professor Hapgood,
Your request of evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctic, and the Palmer Peninsular, is reasonable. We find that this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap.
The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.

Harold Z. Ohlmeyer Lt. Colonel, USAF Commander[/spoiler]


i'm not trying to say that ancient predictions are correct or that they will be fulfilled (only time will tell us if they are right), all's i'm saying is to not sell ancient scientific knowledge short

edit:

lets also remember that MUCH ancient knowledge has been lost to both the ravages of time and mans own ignorance. the conquistadors destroyed a HUGE amount of evidence with their conquering of the "new" world. and many of the ancient libraries were destroyed by conquest and or natural cataclysm.

BS started by people suffering from aritmophobia. 20 12 2012 is a date same like it was the first day of 2000 when all of the ignorants thought that that would be the end of the world, or that all the computers will crash. IMAO noobs.

And that date it`s not even simetrical (this is in their theory that simetrical numbers are evil). No matter how you arrange it, 2012 is an integer number. You can`t manipulate it to read it 12 20... if you read it in mirror it will be 2102.

21 12 2112 fear this date... IMAO

Noobs.


PS.

This is what happens (phobias etc, etc) when natural selection doesn`t occur (and this happens as more and more unpurely genetical humans survive carrying all sorts of defects transmitting them to their next generation and so on and so forth). If you want doomsday for humanity, this will be it (and will happen over the course of years, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands). Good "accidental" mutations in the human body will not apear anymore (like it happened in Mid Eve for example when allmost the entire Europe died because of the plague - but a few saved themselves because they has the "right" gene). We think that we`re smart, trying to "cure" our bodies but infact we`re not doing ourselves a favour by "allowing" people to transmit their defects preventing the "accidental" mutation to happen.

My opinion is immoral by the modern standards and you will think that i`m a nazist or something like that... well, infact i am too an impure human cos i was also sick and in hospital a few years ago. I believe in humans rights, to live, to not be discriminated, to have a family, etc i`d say that by believing in our rights and following this course we infact follow our destiny... our purpose is to be born, live and die. This will happen with everyone, no one is forever. Like a single human is born, grows, matures, ages and then dies... same is the humanity (the entire human race). I`d say that now the humanity is a teenager who starts to know and aknowledges the surrounding world, who goes to highschool and does silly experiments in the chemistry lab, who puts it`s limits to the tests (and we do it by creating all sorts of weapons for example, when they`re not really necesary for the humanity yet, like the biological weapons, lethal viruses). We will then, after a major cathastrophy (which isn`t too far away btw - a sign could be the gobal warming that WE started it by toying with the nature) become more aware of our vulnerability and will become mature and eventually we will fade away (not after trying some desperate measures to save ourselves - like the old people do for example). The samewill happen with our solar system, many millenias from now on when the Sun will explode and who knows when the Galaxy will cease to exist.