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i have heard a theory that all people that are not willing to kill in order to eat meat should be vegatarians while by no means would you have to kill every meal you eat you can only eat what you are willing to kill with your own hands if that is just fish then thats the only meat you get if you can kill a cow but not a sheep then you eat beef not lamb ect... i think this is a interesting idea possibly with some merit. interested to see why people think it will/wont work

anyone?

all i know is...

i stayed with my uncle and aunt the last time i was fortunate to visit my parents homeland (Cyprus) when i was 12. i remember my aunt (who was a big woman) asking my uncle and my cousins what they wanted for dinner and they all replied they would like chicken, since i was expecting her to open the fridge and pull out a chicken- i was surprised when my aunt then opened the kitchen door and went into the garden.
being somewhat puzzled, i followed her out the door, and witnessed her run around the garden chasing a chicken! she caught the chicken placed the neck of the bird under her foot and pulled its head off


i kinda went off chicken for a while lol but i like meat to much so wasn't long before i stated eating chicken again, point is, we can get used to allot of things, maybe it would take a while before you get used to killing lambs but if you like lamb allot (like i do) you will get used to slaughtering your own meat...

maybe there wouldn't be so much waste of food in the world if we all took a page out of my aunts book.

So If I'm willing to strangle a vegan to death....

Like Patty, I am willing to kill humans, I am not, however, willing to eat them.

This wouldn't bother me at all. I could easily kill a cow and a chicken and a pig and a turkey and a deer.


I think a tougher scenario would be if you had to raise the animal so you could kill it and carve it up and eat it.

Simply put - it wouldn't work.

Too many people do not want to kill animals yet they like to eat meat. That's why vegetarians say stuff like this. It's stupid but it helps their argument that 'eating meat is wrong'.

i have no problem with eating meat but being a hypocryite is wrong as is living in a dream world where food appears and we have no apprecation of how it got there or how much work it takes this would help people see the reality a little better in a generation or two noone would object

ok and canablism not what i was thinking but sure make that legal as well if you kill them yourself but sorry jack if you don't eat them its just murder

Rider I was making a crack at their theory...


and my one point

If God didn't want us to eat the weak, then why did he make them so delicious?

yea i got it but thought it would be fun to run with a canablism debate...

...oh well

Patty Hughes wrote:
and my one point

If God didn't want us to eat the weak, then why did he make them so delicious?

exactly but only the strong should eat the weak not other weakings we live in a society that has made weakness a way of life society is full of both weak minded and weak bodied wastes of space that only live due to the efforts of others and these parasites should not share the rewards of other peoples strength while i dont agree with killing them as some others do i think limits of luxury need to be set and meat is a luxury

Vegetarians amuse me somewhat...

for starters there are many different types... Type A

They will not eat conventional meat (beef, pork, rabbit, duck, chicken..yadda yadda..) yet they will eat fish...and they will eat free range eggs.. the idea behind these guys being that if it was not kept in captivity in cruel ways and was caught in the wild then it is acceptable (but they wont eat say a wild rabbit thats been caught, killed and eaten... )

yet..when confronted by the facts that fish are very often these days kept in farms, eggs are baby chickens that come from chickens kept in a farm..whether that farm is the size of four football pitches and take no liberties with controlling their animals or it is the size of a house and keeps the chickens in a cage..is no different. They're not wild chickens..

on another note they will eat fish caught at sea fresh, yet still will not eat a wild rabit caught.. the argument is brain dead, made to make people feel a little less guilty. They will also drink milk, taken from cows that are in the same position as the 'free range' chickens..

Type B
Are the type that will not touch any animal meat (fish included) because it is cruel to kill animals for food no matter what conditions they are kept it.

OK...so its fine to murder plants? Plants abilities of perceptions are...more primitive...but more sensitive when compared to our own...yet they still feel the environment around them and react when damaged. Just because they do not cry and do not have a few of the more salient attributes say a chicken has is irrelevant. Its still stopping the chemical processes in a 'living thing'.

Yet these vegetarians will still drink milk...same as before. (I am pretty certain they not be eating eggs...).

Type C
Are those advancements on the previous Type B. These people are the real nut jobs who go around with the pictures in their purses, refusing to even eat plants unless they die in a humane manner. Boils down to the point...if its ok to kill anything in any manner..cant that argument be applied up the scale to the lamb you just saw in the field? Die of old age you say! Natural Causes! SAME AGAIN!

oh and of course.. there is the last type..

Type D
These are the guys that say God did not intend us to eat animals. OH REALLY! Why would an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnibenevolent being give us the means to kill them then. Dosen't the pope eat meat? (Before you think I trailed off there, put the pop and the Omni's together, throw human perception of God and religion into the mix..and problems pop up!) I am sure there is an absolute roller coaster of arguments for this one.. I would not know where to actually begin in ernest.

I say vegetarians that follow these arguments get stuffed. Either find arguments that stand up to basic intelligence, or do what it says on the tin, kill yourselves through malnutrition and save us all the winging and annoying dinner/cooking arrangements now.

Personally I do value life.. so I would never kill animals for sport..creatures of the wild and all that are..well pretty much innocent, with no sense of arrogance and all that nonsense, they really are instinct driven for the most part, humans or not..which will explain a few things for people regarding my opinions here.

I do however accept the killing of animals for food..for nourishment as that is the natural order of things. Bigger things..generally eat smaller things to pass on energy and all that jazz...

Deaths_Rider wrote:but sorry jack if you don't eat them its just murder

Type frEak
the odd people who dont like the taste of meat itself. some of these may may have their taste affected by the thought of the meats origins but its still weird. the 'cute' animals are the ones often left alone by these folk.

i grew up with vegetarians and have grown to detest quorn and the other imitation meat products. if someone doesnt like meat, why would they buy so many of the man made products? these 'meat-free sausages' and 'quorn roast joints' are as close as possible to the taste/form of the real thing. that confuses me perhaps they can enjoy the taste with a clear conscience

i dont think the idea of only eating what you are willing to kill is practical, necessary or right. the worlds moved on from the days where everyone was involved with their food from the start. that cant change massively now without the downfall of developed civilisation. although recently a lot more urban residents are growing their own produce. i think that will increase to a point but its impracticality will limit potential growth.

one thing which is really detestable is using rifles to hunt for sport. although id be tempted to fight a bear if i was only allowed a bow and arrow or spear. seems fairer to me as id probably get eaten by the bear.

if i shot a wild animal id only do so with the intention of munching it. only exception i can see is culling required for sustainability etc. (and a fight to the death with the bear as mentioned)

OK...so its fine to murder plants? Plants abilities of perceptions are...more primitive...but more sensitive when compared to our own...yet they still feel the environment around them and react when damaged. Just because they do not cry and do not have a few of the more salient attributes say a chicken has is irrelevant. Its still stopping the chemical processes in a 'living thing'.

they arent conscious of pain in the same way food animals are. what they feel isnt really pain. its more like a program which is only responding to stimulus, whereas 'higher' forms of life are aware of what it means. pain is useful to mobile animals as they know to flee or be careful etc. a plant has no need of this pain (and the reflexes which go with it) as they do not move. if you kick a tree it cant go ''ow'' then run away. therefore conscious, sudden pain is useless to it. next time im eating an mushrooms i will do so in good conscience, until i grate some puffin on them.

Dosen't the pope eat meat?

does he **** in the woods?


i recently watched a tv documentary about some 50 stone dude who sat at home all day throwing up on himself, soiling himself and generally being fat. he couldnt even walk more than a few feet if at all. his mum fed him all the time. he was incapable of doing anything for himself. in the realm of eating, people like him are the worst of the worst. if you cant feed yourself or walk a mile (unless physically unable and not because of fatness) you should be allowed to starve or be forced to get a job as ballast on a ship

Deaths_Rider wrote:i have no problem with eating meat but being a hypocryite is wrong as is living in a dream world where food appears and we have no apprecation of how it got there or how much work it takes this would help people see the reality a little better in a generation or two noone would object

ok and canablism not what i was thinking but sure make that legal as well if you kill them yourself but sorry jack if you don't eat them its just murder

Maybe back in the dark ages, some of us are happy about the progress of humanity, you know having trouble taking a life? Of course most people can't kill animals, we don't need to, we don't want to. Progress of the world, gentrification of everyone, that's like telling people who like to take showers they need to bring the water themselves with buckets from a river, chop down a tree and heat the water with logs

It's stupid. BTW, Semps, Free Range Egg's the chickens are let out to graze for a few hours a day. Which is really all they need.