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Okay so I reconned someone who had attacked me while I was sleeping and I was surprised at their def power so I wanted to see the number of troops they had.

He's an Asgard with 11 def soldiers and a def power of 1719 (def alert is 5 of 50); that's an average power of 156.27. I'm a Tauri with 11 def soldiers and my def is only 825; that's an average power of 75. So I thought wow maybe my strike is that much more powerful than other people's and I need to focus on that instead and just not worry about def. So I recon this guys strike...he's got 1 strike soldier and a strike power of 150...now I have 2 strike soldiers and my strike power is only 260; average power of 130. So I guess my question is what the hell? He has better strike power and better def power on the average than me? What is the point of being a Tauri then? There are no techs available yet to give him a bonus so what's going on?

Edit: After a few more recons on him (because I wanted to see the strength of his weapon) I figured out why he can have less soldiers. His weapon has a strike strength of 30 (mine only has 20); and his def weapon has a strength of 24 (mine only has 15)....so somehow I have only 2 weapons to choose from an apparently other folks have 3?

Everyone currently has 2 weapons to choose from. The weapon strengths and costs are all relative. His weapons might be 50% stronger, but they also cost 50% more Naq.

adminGary wrote:Everyone currently has 2 weapons to choose from. The weapon strengths and costs are all relative. His weapons might be 50% stronger, but they also cost 50% more Naq.

Doesn't that give him a major advantage??? ie: he needs less troops to get equal amount of def/att....needs less weapons to get same amount....hence making him a lot harder to mass or sabotage. Plus with a higher weapon strength its a lot harder to mass anyway....(Or am I completely getting this muddled?)

adminGary wrote:Everyone currently has 2 weapons to choose from. The weapon strengths and costs are all relative. His weapons might be 50% stronger, but they also cost 50% more Naq.

The costs of the weapons are a joke compared to the costs of troop training. I'd much rather have weapons that have 2x power and 2x cost then what I currently have. Very bad idea this one was.

Offensive Away Team 13,500 Naquadah
Home Base Guard 15,000 Naquadah

Too catch up based on current costs requires me to either hit for double the current naq I hit for (impossible unless I turn farm immediately on the turn change which everyone would begin doing and frak the server). Or I have to stop sleeping and bank every turn and farm every turn (impossible for several reasons...).

Thade wrote:

adminGary wrote:Everyone currently has 2 weapons to choose from. The weapon strengths and costs are all relative. His weapons might be 50% stronger, but they also cost 50% more Naq.

The costs of the weapons are a joke compared to the costs of troop training. I'd much rather have weapons that have 2x power and 2x cost then what I currently have. Very bad idea this one was.

Agreed, wouldn't be a problem if we had a way to access the better weapons, but for the time being it's a ridiculous advantage.

As a fix i would suggest unlocking 1 extra level of weapons and checking that the powers are all matching, then we will all be on a level playing field for weapons.

Let's break it down...

1 Offensive Troop costs 13500 naq + his weapon which costs 2610 (20 power) = 16110 naq for an average power of 130.
1 Defensive Troop costs 15000 naq + his weapon which costs 2500(15 power) = 17500 naq for an average power of 75.

Those are the Tauri costs? what kind of costs do the other races have?

For Asgard I'm going to assume: (I based his weapon costs off my costs multiplied by % power difference)
1 Offensive Troop costs 13500 naq + his weapon which costs 3915 (30 power) = 17415 naq for average power of 150
1 Defensive Troop costs 15000 naq + his weapon which costs 4166 (25 power) = 19166 naq for average power of 156

So for me to equal his def power it requires 35000 naq to his 19166 naq (and I technically still haven't equalled his power). Our strike powers are fairly equal (however I'm a tauri so where is my bonus???) but still I require more troops at it.

Attack Weapons Strength Price Buy
Hand Device 10 2,200 Naquadah
Zat 25 3,300 Naquadah
Defense Weapons Strength Price Buy
Handheld Shield Device 15 2,500 Naquadah
Externally Powered Force Shield 20 2,900 Naquadah

that is for goauld

I'm guessing your troop costs are the same? (and what is your average power - i'm too lazy to go reconning goauld.

For Replicators:

Bio Targeting Swarm 10 2,200 Naquadah
Explosive Nanite Spore 20 2,900 Naquadah

Iron Based cells 10 1,800 Naquadah
Carbon Based cells 20 3,200 Naquadah

Attack Spider 15,000 Naquadah
Defense Spider 15,000 Naquadah

Average Attack Power: 115
Average Defence Power: 110

Thade wrote:I'm guessing your troop costs are the same? (and what is your average power - i'm too lazy to go reconning goauld.

yeah sorry, it's 15k per troop type for goaulds

Goa'uld:
125 average power for strike soldiers
and 100 for def soldiers

Tauri:
1 Offensive Troop costs 13500 naq + his weapon which costs 2610 (20 power) = 16110 naq for an average power of 130.
1 Defensive Troop costs 15000 naq + his weapon which costs 2500(15 power) = 17500 naq for an average power of 75.

Asgard: (revised to reflect cheaper def troop instead of cheaper strike troop...still assuming on weapons costs)
1 Offensive Troop costs 15000 naq + his weapon which costs 3915 (30 power) = 18915 naq for average power of 150
1 Defensive Troop costs 13500 naq + his weapon which costs 4166 (25 power) = 17766 naq for average power of 156

Goauld:
15000 + 3300 = 18300 for 125 power
15000 + 2900 = 17900 for 100 power

Repli:
15000 + 2900 = 17900 for 115 power
15000 + 3200 = 18200 for 110 power


So overall Asgard should be owning because they are the cheapest to build power for...

Edit: I guess my main question is why didn't all the races have the same costs for everything and then just apply the bonus to their power (after purchase)?

this ... sux.

Maybe Asgard should only have 1/2 UP ... I mean, they always had trouble with reproduction

Judging from that Goauld and Repli seem pretty even - except Goauld are also gaining income bonus....Tauri have way too low a defence, and Asgard are just ridiculously over-powered.....

Reschef wrote:this ... sux.

Maybe Asgard should only have 1/2 UP ... I mean, they always had trouble with reproduction

I LOLed at that. (however because the recruit link gives UU UP doesn't matter much here in the beginning...down the road it might but not right now)

RepliMagni wrote:Judging from that Goauld and Repli seem pretty even - except Goauld are also gaining income bonus....Tauri have way too low a defence, and Asgard are just ridiculously over-powered.....

Honestly I think the only reason Asgard aren't dominating this game already is because there are more active Goauld than the other races. I believe that after about 2 weeks the top 10 will be Asgard if they stay active. The numbers just dictate it...

Magni: what are your costs for training cov and AC units? Tauri costs are 20k each.