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Well, in my opinion Sleepy won the wave. It was close between him and Bilbao Pan only 1 rank difference.

Anybody that agrees with me can comment, anyone that doesn't, shouldn't cheat.

agreed
30 tril over farmed in one wave is to much for a honest player
go sleepy
u wonn
congrats

well, why cheating? this game supports many ways of obtaining naq in unlimited amounts, if all players in TCC supports one player, he could have tripple power as SeiJuRo does. This game is about team work too, so if you decide to play solo, you will not get in top 5 (honestly, AC lvl 28 is madness )

34-36 tril naq farmed


compared to the other top 10 which had between 5-10 tril farmed

his allaince didn't help him out, as they all put it into their stats.

12 tril MS isn't cheap, heck those stats are higher than the stats from the happiness waves, where you had another 60% modifer for income generation. he's tauri which means he loses 5% of banked naq. and has 25% less base income.

No in my professional gaming opinion, he has done some exploiting or something...

By all means if he can clearly show how he's managed to legally get 30+ tril naq, i'll change my opinion, and be very impressed with him, for doing what no other has done for so many wave. Blow away everyone.

u forget one thing, he is rich!

how much $$$ you need to buy 35 trill naq? Maybe i should check on the black market

lol i havnt farmed that much in main yet ((

First off, i would like to say I do not condone calling someone a cheater without proof.

none in TCC supported SeiJuRo to get the stats he had.
I did have some help from TCC for my AC 28, I could not have managed it without that help. Were it not for that, we would have done better than 3 out of top 5.

Kalanor wrote:if all players in TCC supports one player, he could have tripple power as SeiJuRo does.

Simply not true, there was no way we could have competed with his MS. He had close to twice that of anyone else. The only person trying to keep up (slug) didnt manage to build any other stats. I gave up trying to catch the MS to focus on other stats.. and I think bilbao did as well.

His covert power was also extremely high, due to his having rank 28 AC, but also because he saved a lot of UU by buying top weapons instead of 2nds.
Everyone else went for the 2nd weapons because they are more cost effective, but SeiJuRo had an extra 500k-600k assassins because he went for the top weapons.
This also was beyond our reach, even if we worked together.. because of the significant extra cost of buying top weapons.


I ran a few numbers, and estimated the cost of seijuros stats to be 36,396,110,212,000 Naq
Seen as his total income for the era would have been aprox; 6,488,730,112,000 ( minus any losses)

He would only have had to farm 29-30t to have his stats. Not the 34-36t quoted. Although that may have been twice what I farmed through the era, I cant say he cheated without actual proof, and without proof, nor should anyone else.

Noone other than admin can say anything against him. I am not saying that farming 36t looks normal....and i know that his alliance didnt help him, because it was my alliance :p but seeing as he bought 5 or so USSs and if he farmed for ONLY the top 1% of hits every few hours every day then its possible (im saying that without actually doing any calculations lol)

But anyway, if anyone wants to speak out against him just let admin do it

Yes i had friends apart from TCC supporting me in the end .. and i think it was some time back hippy quoted

"Mm the concept of feeding isnt exactly good because it can give such an advantage....but its impossible to stop, and i doubt there has ever been a winner of Q who hasnt been fed at some point in the wave."

Thats why i took it from them because others too did it .. like s1eepy said had he not taken 28 there would be more TCC in top 5 moreover bebita too gave his stuff to his friends .. anyways let admin decide it .. if taking support from active ones is cheating then im a cheater .. i dont have any worries. i enjoyed my wave thats all that matters to me

GrimmJoW JaGGerJaCK wrote:Yes i had friends apart from TCC supporting me in the end .. and i think it was some time back hippy quoted

"Mm the concept of feeding isnt exactly good because it can give such an advantage....but its impossible to stop, and i doubt there has ever been a winner of Q who hasnt been fed at some point in the wave."

I have known and played with Hiko since the early days of the original charter Aeon Kings back in 2005, we have teamed up before and I helped him in any way I could this Era. I dont understand how you can create a login and play in a game that has all the aspects of teamwork - ie Alliances, (teaming together with others) Commanders/Officers (teaming with a particular player for mutual benefits) and then complain or suspect others of foul play when they successfully utilize that same teamwork to a complete advantage and utter success??

That is like complaining when someone 'attacks' you in a "War" game... What did you think you were going to do in a War game, have tea and crumpets? HAHAHA

I guess there is some sort of socially acceptable community agreed upon "standards" of ethical play (Like honorable minimum farming amounts, etc), but until they eliminate all the teaming up aspects of this particular game - Quantum - then this should be considered a community agreed upon socially accepted norm, that TEAMWORK, can and will be a factor. Hiko has long standing respect and many friends, including this player, and I believe he deserves better than this. Was his win incredible, YES, but so is his reputation among his friends. One of my officers, Cool Breeze, actually came back to play Quantum after a year and a half abscence, just because I e-mailed him to tell him Hiko had returned... What does that say?

Not to take anything away from S1eepy, I respect his play, consider him an honorable and feared opponent, and even argued along with him in the Admin chats... But, S1eepy never once set Peace with me for any of the two Eras I have played Quantum. I would not consider helping S1eepy, yet I do help Hiko, a long time friend and ally, who even though he was in a different (and foe) Alliance, never once lifted an agressive finger against me, so I helped him in any way I could, and I do not consider that cheating in any form, just good clean play and teamwork within the rules.

Is anyone starting to see the pattern here? In Games that encourage teamwork and friends, victory should belong to those who team up and work with their mates, comrades, and friends, thats all... Good teamwork will beat USS, $$$, lone wolfing, and the Regulators Quandary, any Era, any time!!

Congrats Hiko, you deserved it!!

ass for that ss recording to seijuro he didn't put more then 50$

nothing put here change my mind
he must had 5-6 account that farmed all the wave for him
srry but i don't see a account that could farm more than 5-6 tril this wave
i spent over 100 k turn to farm no more then 7 tril farmed all wave
but somehow he farmed 34-36 tril

Go bark bebita like you have done all the wave. Ur mind doesn't matter here. Make feeding illegal first. I have agreed to the terms and conditions i ticked on. There was no term stating u can't feed from other players.

GrimmJoW JaGGerJaCK wrote:Go bark bebita like you have done all the wave. Ur mind doesn't matter here. Make feeding illegal first. I have agreed to the terms and conditions i ticked on. There was no term stating u can't feed from other players.

Wasn't it bebita that basically got the Pooh Corner farms insta-banned (later, when appropriate investigation performed was reversed, of course!!) just because he couldn't understand how someone could bank their NAQ after the turn, without repairing their weapons????
(Lions and tigers, and bears... Oh my!!)

HAHAHA, sorry bebita, just couldn't let you beat your chest about another
' Cheater '
without reminding everyone of how precise your mind & thoughts were on the last Quantum players you were accusing...

I still repeat my arguement, TEAMWORK, players working together, helping one another, working together for a common cause, assisting each other, giving away resources, will always beat anyone who tries to play alone in this game, or tries (like I even tried) to buy their way to victory.

It is refreshing... Should it not be??? Those who do not agree, get the rules changed, or play in a game that does not encourage teamwork.

Exceptional teamwork [does not equal] cheating...

Hey, what happened to my Alliance Pic???

i agree with Affirmation, and again i want to congratulate the one and only winner SeijuroHiko who showed us how team work should look like. And he is very fearsome player, he was on rank 1 for nearly 3 weeks without dropping in ranks, his stats were pretty low, but no one dared to rise a finger on him. Thats a kind of player who can make a friend with anybody, he deserves this victory.

btw> bebita, you'll never be like him, you are coward and backstabbing character, don't dream of a peaceful next wave