Demon Lord Razgriz wrote:V.O.I.D wrote:Demon Lord Razgriz wrote:Boeing, LockMart, NorthGrum, etc....
lol....
also something to add, the thing that seperates the current generation and previous generation fighters is their stealth capability. rear axis, newer fighters have less of an IR signature (jet exhaust whatnot...) front on, the radar reflectivity of something like a standard F-15E (with a fairly open access engine intake) is a lot heftier than that of the F-22 or the F-35C.... also considering the reflectivity reduced by having an internal weapons bay instead of wing pylon weapon mounts.....
someone would have done a LOT of work on the aeroframe of the silent eagle to get it anywhere near the reflectivity front on of the F-35..... (in the link i posted there is a reference to the silent eagle being on-par with the F-35 in terms of stealth capability.)
so when you place a priority on a single engine, stealth, internal weapon'd aircraft, its a fairly complex task. the likelyhood of the silent eagle being on par with an F-35 in that way
a: seems highly unrealistic, and
b: because of any gains like this the priority isnt on air to air/air to sea/land combat...
not to say it isnt capable of it, but as has been stated, the F-35C is prioritised in combat roles for air to land/sea support roles. it isnt an air superiority fighter so comparing it to a purpose built F-15 (modified or not) is i beleive, naive. in the same way that modifying a sedan and a truck into a people mover, then comparing them would be naive....
i have to say though, building a 'between generations' fighter like this is very interesting to me even though it may end up being a load of bull.
im pondering though, what would be the likelyhood of combining technologies from the silent eagle and the F-15 ACTIVE or the F15S/MTD? i mean i know it wont happen any time soon at all, but i have no clue if they'd be compatible..... again, interesting
~soul
First off, Stealth isn't the thing that separates 4.5gen to 5th gen. There's also Super Manuverability & Super Cruise.
As for the RCS of the F-15SE, Boeing is adding quite a bit of addons to the F-15E to get the RCS down. Such as durable RAM on the front engine fan, RAM along the nose & wing edge, the visible angled tails, the internal bays, and the usage of radar blockers in the intakes.
Also, the F-15E, which the F-15SE is designed from, is a totally different aircraft than the F-15C. The only thing that have in common is the airframe design. This was done as the F-15C had a bit of A2G potental, but after being totally redesign, it was the best multirole ever and compared to the multirole F-35, the F-15E kicks the Lightning's ass badly. The only thing the F-35 has that the Beagle can't get is all-round stealth, and that's it. With upgrades, the Beagle can get the intergrated sensors the F-35 has, thus leaving the only stealth as the saving grace.
neither of the Silent Eagle or the F35 have 'all round' stealth capability..... as soon as the weapons bay doors are open that alone is enough for a radar to be used against it more effectively, for example.
yes, supermaneuverability has been an advance in generations however i dont see it as important as the stealth capability. i didnt say 'the only' thing seperating generations, merely the main thing. supercruise too, i mean in reality, supercruise is good.... but hardly used in dogfighting or air to ground roles.
i dont think i referred directly to the F-15C comparing to the F-15E, though i might be mistaken, fairly tired. i didnt actually intend on distinguishing between the two, just to refer to F-15's generically. (when i typed the forst post it was about 8:30am or so, i didnt get to sleep till around 3am....)
but most of what i said about the modifications didnt really specify much else than aeroframe modifications which you say yourself was the aeroframe design.
you reiterating the F15's superiority over the F35's air power seems redundant, i was agreeing with this. i referred to the F15 being purpose built, yes it can perform the other roles, however it wasnt designed to be a compremise between dogfighting and stealth.
and as for the RCS? well.... its a HUGE task to get an aircraft not designed for stealth to mimick to a degree the characteristics of a stealth multirole aircraft. rams, radar blocking, whatever. without major aeroframe work it wouldnt be very achievable. i didnt say they hadnt, just that i doubt the likelihood.
also i said lol and quoted you because when you referred to "NorthGrum" i couldnt help but imagine "Pops" (not apophis for those who dont know, a charachter from Ace Combat 5) talking about 'Grunder'.
i hope that clears up any misconceptions in what i said..... if i forgot anything, i guess ill re-iterate later. nao, must go do stuff.....
~soul
