stop real world trading.

[the grim reefer]

having checked wolfs links i didnt see this anywhere(apologies if i missed it).

anyhow i would like to suggest a stop on real world trading of resources by caping trade limits.
having spent a few months away from the game i truly believe this is a core problem "ingame" and would really force out the money makers leaving the game to the real players.
account growth would benefit those that put the effort in rather than the cash and reward players who are here to play not make $.
with a proper cap on uu,naq and ats it would also put a new twist on wars/massing.

1,2 trades per hour(limits to be put in place of quantity)
2,quantity of resources to be a % of the sellers total size.ie..income of naq and uu(the more you self earn the more % you can trade).even at war with less naq income youre uu(unit pro) can still add to youre limit.
3,the black market will become more effective for players with cash to burn.
4,planets and income will once again be valuable(the more self earn the more trade limit)because if you really wanna hurt someone you can reduce/take there ability to trade.
5,on ascension you can have 1 full limit trade for all those who broker and return to keep there goods on ascending.
6,accounts can still be bought and sold just not there huge bulk resources broken and sold seperatly.(keeping actual account prices good)
7,new player growth would be realistic(much harder) and yes this would benefit the older/longterm players who have put the time and effort into
building.

anyway..there is more but for now please feel free to shoot me down in flames but my sons play a game where somthing along the same lines was initiated and it really improved play and made the game more realistic.

reefer.

[the grim reefer]

just a side note*

normal trading would remain the same..goods for goods at market rate whilst reducing the ability to give uneven trades..
ie. 10 trill naq for 1 at wich is either very generouse or a sale of the naq for real world cash.

[Lore]

impossible to police.

[the grim reefer]

well seeing as how they managed on other games im sure it could be done here and it would be a nice kick in the nuts for all multis who create accounts then buy ss and transfer all goods to the one account or for selling.
i no it would be a radical change and upset many but if you play to play and not to earn or cheat then its well worth thinking about.

[GeneralChaos]

He cant, admin tried to stop it before, and the same day he did it, another site popped up that allowed $$ trading and everyone went there, when it comes to ingame its impossible to know if someone is buying it with $$ or not when from a trade broker....

The only way admin can stop this is by altering the prices in his own $$ market, admin could stop it if he made his own prices better, after all its all profit for admin.

[the grim reefer]

He cant, admin tried to stop it before, and the same day he did it, another site popped up that allowed $$ trading and everyone went there, when it comes to ingame its impossible to know if someone is buying it with $$ or not when from a trade broker....

The only way admin can stop this is by altering the prices in his own $$ market, admin could stop it if he made his own prices better, after all its all profit for admin.

even then it wouldn't work, cause you'd always have people under selling

it would because you would have set market prices that fluctuate as per need like normal markets and why would the real players leave?? multis,cash players and general cheats yeh sure let em go.

[Mordack]

He cant, admin tried to stop it before, and the same day he did it, another site popped up that allowed $$ trading and everyone went there, when it comes to ingame its impossible to know if someone is buying it with $$ or not when from a trade broker....

The only way admin can stop this is by altering the prices in his own $$ market, admin could stop it if he made his own prices better, after all its all profit for admin.

even then it wouldn't work, cause you'd always have people under selling

it would because you would have set market prices that fluctuate as per need like normal markets and why would the real players leave?? multis,cash players and general cheats yeh sure let em go.

There'll always be a black market, though, and there'll always be people that don't care about the game and play for the sole purpose of generating income. These people don't care about getting a "good price" they just want to make whatever they can from doing essentially nothing. Such people would continue to undercut the market regardless of the circumstances; the only difference here being that they'd have to go to a little more effort in order to do it.

[the grim reefer]

ok,,,so having read the above comments how would this not work??

admins/sgw black market would be the main way to buy resources with cash(the other way is to buy accounts outright).
putting a percentage cap on trades using existing market prices wich would go up or down depending on need would prevent many of the above that i commented on..
there would be no..10trill for 1 at trades.
you could only give away youre limit per hour or 1 trade per game turn..the limit could be*throws a figure*..10 percent of total income generated and the normal market for trades would stay the same ie.600 bill nar per 1 mill uu or ats or whatever..this trading would stay the same but be regulated by market prices and players capped limits on trade.

cash buys for unlimited resources could then go through admins/sgw black market,uu,ats,naq or planets as is now.
again i tell ya ive seen this on another game that was ruined by real world trading dollars,pounds whatever for resources and there admin/owner implemented this and now the games there for players who play not cheat,earn or multi.

[Seaborgium]

Hey don't take away my 25$ i make every 2 weeks i need that money for ...... my mortgage

[MEZZANINE]

If you search my posts, I already suggested this a long time ago, fair trade values ( say 1 Mill could only be traded for between 550-750 Bill Naq ) to stop $$$ sales and transfers to vulture accounts that build fleets just for planet stripping.

It will never happen because many of the big traders also reinvest some of the $$$ they make back into the game.

[Sarevok]

The black market is IMPOSSIBLE to police.
All i need is someone's MSN. Talk to them, they give me an account, i use online banking to send the money, and they just broker me ingame for the goods. Even if you removed the broker, you can STILL sell your defenses, and have them attack you for the resources, especially Naq

[Tekki]

The thing is for a lot of legitimate reasons people do do what could be seen as dodgy trades - allaince programs for instance, usually involve what could be seen as $$ trades as they involve like 1trillion naq for 1naq.

There is a lot of legitimate reasons why someone wants to trade large amounts for a smaller amount of resources.

A CO giving his officer some stuff, someone in an alliance giving stuff to another person, gifts of naq or UU to new players, or transfers of UU before someone hits extended vacation or comes back from vacation.

I can think of a heap.

Suggestions to monitor and control it mean that if you want to do it, you'd have to be talking to Jason or one of the other Game Admins ALL THE TIME to get them done.

It's a nice thing to suggest, but it's not going to happen.

[Noobert]

impossible to police.

True. It is impossible to police but it would still stop a majority of the trading if we did it.

[Wolf359]

If you search my posts, I already suggested this a long time ago, fair trade values ( say 1 Mill could only be traded for between 550-750 Bill Naq ) to stop $$$ sales and transfers to vulture accounts that build fleets just for planet stripping.

It will never happen because many of the big traders also reinvest some of the $$$ they make back into the game.

As MEZZANINE suggests, the only way to do it is by being able to transfer resources in-game using fixed values against other resources - the only snag here is that it then affects people who are genuinely giving resources away to help their friends/alliance mates.

In a perfect world I'd like to see $$ trades gone completely - there is potential risk to the continuation of the game as well as to the impact on 'real' players - but it is nigh on impossible to do.

[Lore]

If you search my posts, I already suggested this a long time ago, fair trade values ( say 1 Mill could only be traded for between 550-750 Bill Naq ) to stop $$$ sales and transfers to vulture accounts that build fleets just for planet stripping.

It will never happen because many of the big traders also reinvest some of the $$$ they make back into the game.

As MEZZANINE suggests, the only way to do it is by being able to transfer resources in-game using fixed values against other resources - the only snag here is that it then affects people who are genuinely giving resources away to help their friends/alliance mates.

In a perfect world I'd like to see $$ trades gone completely - there is potential risk to the continuation of the game as well as to the impact on 'real' players - but it is nigh on impossible to do.

it still doesnt stop it as you can simply put naq and UU out in the open to be taken by the buyer.