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Time Travel

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:16 pm
by Kit-Fox
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Re: Time Travel

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:12 pm
by Deaths_Rider
ok well i'll start off personally i think it's impossible because if it were possible then we would know about it as people would have been time traveling and changing things to a point were all periods in time are exactly the same all have the same technology ect and time would become meaningless

so at least time travel backwards or to any point you chosse is impossible

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:07 am
by Kit-Fox
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Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:13 am
by shooty08
I think it is possible, hell, even likely that it has already happened. but I think terminator's time travel is kind of how it works, you can't take any technology with you, either by design of the technology or law. perhaps timeline contamination is prevented somehow... I dunno :P

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:52 am
by Demeisen
interesting points.

if i were to guess, i would say time travel will happen eventually. the way technology is moving (think about the changes of the last 100 years) we could be wandering through time in a few centuries.

then again, we may never be able to time travel. it may be entirely impossible within our universe no matter the level of technology employed. this is one of those things which cant easily be worked out as we cant actually do it. in that way this is similar to the grandfather paradox discussions. what would happen in that situation? no one can really say. perhaps you cease to exist, perhaps you enter into an eternal loop, perhaps reality wont let you kill him. as i said, who knows. . .

i think its much more likely we will develop limited time travel rather than the common (and fantastic) sci-fi type. for example, we might be able to go to a vague place in a vague time if the circumstances are right. but would we be able to specifically go to 1966 world cup and watch England win? i doubt it.

near light speed travel could be a likely first form of 'time travel' although id call it cheating :-D

as to the comments about interfering with the past i ask you is it interfering if the changes were always meant to happen and if they always did? i think not. the changes could be an integral part of human development.

the science that deals with time travel is mysterious. no one knows for sure what would happen. i like that.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:26 am
by Kit-Fox
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Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:54 am
by ramen07
It would take too much work, and what if other "bad" people get their hands on the technology? For example, a radical Indian (lives in the actual subcontinent) could feel strongly about the British colony of India, and assassinate a bunch of leaders in the British army to prematurely get them out of India, thereby erasing the rise of Gandhi and the Salt March and such.

I would advocate a "watch only" type of time travel, where you just observe in a sort of "ghost camera" view (for those of you who play Gears of War 2 :D ), just walking/floating around, watching things take place but never actually interact or interfere with whatever you are observing. This would satisfy all of the claims of a perfect history and the concerns about time ripples, altering history, etc.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:35 am
by Kit-Fox
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Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:56 pm
by Demeisen
if someone traveled back in time to stop ww2, there would (in the future) be no need to travel back to stop it. therefore the person never travels back and the war happens. then they decide to go back in time to stop ww2. this would continue ad infinitum.

can anything be changed that hasnt already been changed? i say nay. but if something was always meant to have been altered through time travel, it might be possible.

for example, if future humans visit us when the LHC is switched on, they could change things without a paradox situation. they would know in their history books that it happened and they could safely influence the past. in this case time travel would have been a part of the past. it would be a part of history thus meant to be.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:17 pm
by Sammael
i agree and disagree with you liqud.

you are talking about a pardox there, you say fif you go back and stop WW2 but then u wouldnt have to stop it or go back in time cause i didnt happen well if you did stop WW2 it would changge the crouse of history as we know it thousands of people will b alvie and lifes wouldnt of takeing the path they have now.

i say what happend in the past is already done ou cant change it something that was surpose to happen you cant stop anyone watched the knowing film brill film but he couldnt stop any of those people from dying its called fate.

do not forget time travel doesnt mean oly go back in time but foward aswell.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:36 pm
by Mister Sandman
Assuming a device could be invented, which would identify the quantum state of matter of an individual in one location/time and transmit that pattern to a distant location/time for reassembly. You would not have actually transported the individual, you would have destroyed him in one location/time and recreated him in another.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:39 pm
by ramen07
Mister Sandman wrote:Assuming a device could be invented, which would identify the quantum state of matter of an individual in one location/time and transmit that pattern to a distant location/time for reassembly. You would not have actually transported the individual, you would have destroyed him in one location/time and recreated him in another.


I haven't thought of that before...so any and all history of that person in his/her time would be destroyed, but what would become of the memories of that person in other people? Would that trigger the brain to make up some other "memory"?

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:41 am
by Kit-Fox
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Re: Time Travel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:49 am
by Sammael
yes SS that is true and the things you where surpose to do in that 5 years wouldnt happened so it would effect the furtue but if you went back in time 5 years and chaged one part even the smallest part would and could create massive effects in your current time line i still thinks this could be done but with a huge price to pay.

Re: Time Travel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:02 pm
by KnowLedge
ramen07 wrote:It would take too much work, and what if other "bad" people get their hands on the technology? For example, a radical Indian (lives in the actual subcontinent) could feel strongly about the British colony of India, and assassinate a bunch of leaders in the British army to prematurely get them out of India, thereby erasing the rise of Gandhi and the Salt March and such.


it wouldn't make a difference, the only reason India was able to take British out was cause of ww2 and the threat of Germany. they actually did assassinate British leaders, but it didn't make a difference because new ones just replaced them.. the reason why they got freedom was mainly ww2. Gandhi was a lucky guy who took advantage of that situation, and took action against britain. Without him britein would have still left india, just with a different reason.



and also, time travel is impossible because if it was possible, then where are the travelers?