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Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:09 pm
by KnowLedge
waht the hell is this.. some1 really needs to tell me. I watched movies like De vinci code, national treasure 2.. but they mention these words but i didnt know what they r. after doing some googling i foudn out wat the knights templars n stuff was but wat the f is Freemasons and that.. some1 can give me a brief lecture it would be great.. thansk

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:19 pm
by Kit-Fox
The Templar Knights was an chivalric order setup to promote various values & protect christian travellers on the roads to the holy land etc.

They were eventually declared by the pope to be heretics, they were forcibly disbanded, their lands/fortunes siezed, members were ex-communicated by the holy roman church & several of their leaders were 'tried' & burnt at the stake.

The Freemasons are probably the only society who can trace their history back far enough to claim to have connections to the Templar Knights but even this evidence is tenuous at best.

Fact is we will never know if any of the societies that claim to be descended from the Templar actually are or not

EDIT: as to the conspiracy theories well probably at some point both the Templar & freemasons held some sway in royal courts and the like but control of the world?? Unlikely.

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:21 pm
by KnowLedge
so who exactly are Freemasons? were they in the US? what was the purpose of the group?

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:27 pm
by Kit-Fox
The Freemasons are everwhere, I believe they have their 'headquarters' in the UK and are a UK registered charity.

That doesnt mean they dont have members all over the world

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:29 pm
by KnowLedge
what is their purpose..?

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:31 pm
by Kit-Fox
A very good question.

They do various charitable works and sponsor / fund various projects aroudn the world according to their publications.

If this is all they do or they are keeping something back, well we're unlikely to find that out.

Lets put it this way, they arent an influence to the course of history anymore. Its certain they dont have the power & influence the Templer Knights once had

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:59 am
by Sammael
Freemasonry is a fraternal organisation that arose from obscure origins in the late 16th to early 17th century. Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, with a membership estimated at around 5 million (including around 480,000 in England, Scotland and Ireland alone, and just under two million in the United States). The various forms all share moral and metaphysical ideals, which include, in most cases, a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.

The fraternity is administratively organised into Grand Lodges (or sometimes Orients), each of which governs its own jurisdiction, which consists of subordinate (or constituent) Lodges. Grand Lodges recognise each other through a process of landmarks and regularity. There are also appendant bodies, which are organisations related to the main branch of Freemasonry, but with their own independent administration.

There Histroy
[spoiler]The origins and early development of Freemasonry are a matter of some debate and conjecture. A poem known as the "Regius Manuscript" has been dated to approximately 1390 and is the oldest known Masonic text. There is evidence to suggest that there were Masonic lodges in existence in Scotland as early as the late sixteenth century (for example the Lodge at Kilwinning, Scotland, has records that date to the late 1500s, and is mentioned in the Second Schaw Statutes (1599) which specified that "ye warden of ye lug of Kilwynning [...] tak tryall of ye airt of memorie and science yrof, of everie fellowe of craft and everie prenteiss according to ayr of yr vocations"). There are clear references to the existence of lodges in England by the mid-seventeenth century.


Goose and Gridiron, where the Grand Lodge of England was foundedThe first Grand Lodge, the Grand Lodge of England (GLE), was founded on 24 June 1717, when four existing London Lodges met for a joint dinner. This rapidly expanded into a regulatory body, which most English Lodges joined. However, a few lodges resented some of the modernisations that GLE endorsed, such as the creation of the Third Degree, and formed a rival Grand Lodge on 17 July 1751, which they called the "Antient Grand Lodge of England". The two competing Grand Lodges vied for supremacy – the "Moderns" (GLE) and the "Antients" (or "Ancients") – until they united 25 November 1813 to form the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).

The Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland were formed in 1725 and 1736 respectively. Freemasonry was exported to the British Colonies in North America by the 1730s – with both the "Antients" and the "Moderns" (as well as the Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland) chartering offspring ("daughter") Lodges, and organising various Provincial Grand Lodges. After the American Revolution, independent U.S. Grand Lodges formed themselves within each State. Some thought was briefly given to organising an over-arching "Grand Lodge of the United States", with George Washington (who was a member of a Virginian lodge) as the first Grand Master, but the idea was short-lived. The various State Grand Lodges did not wish to diminish their own authority by agreeing to such a body.

Although there are no real differences in the Freemasonry practiced by lodges chartered by the Antients or the Moderns, the remnants of this division can still be seen in the names of most Lodges, F.& A.M. being Free and Accepted Masons and A.F.& A.M. being Antient Free and Accepted Masons.

The oldest jurisdiction on the continent of Europe, the Grand Orient de France (GOdF), was founded in 1728. However, most English-speaking jurisdictions cut formal relations with the GOdF around 1877 – when the GOdF removed the requirement that its members have a belief in a Deity (thereby accepting atheists). The Grande Loge Nationale Française (GLNF)[11] is currently the only French Grand Lodge that is in regular amity with the UGLE and its many concordant jurisdictions worldwide.

Due to the above history, Freemasonry is often said to consist of two branches not in mutual regular amity:

the UGLE and concordant tradition of jurisdictions (mostly termed Grand Lodges) in amity, and
the GOdF, European Continental, tradition of jurisdictions (often termed Grand Orients) in amity.
In most Latin countries, the GOdF-style of European Continental Freemasonry predominates[citation needed], although in most of these Latin countries there are also Grand Lodges that are in regular amity with the UGLE and the worldwide community of Grand Lodges that share regular "fraternal relations" with the UGLE. The rest of the world, accounting for the bulk of Freemasonry, tends to follow more closely to the UGLE style, although minor variations exist.[/spoiler]

One of the major groups of the Free Masons was Illuminati.

Illuminati ("enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1st, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy "power behind the throne," allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order. Confusing the issue further is the fact that there are also several modern fraternal groups which include the word "Illuminati" in their names.

There History
[spoiler]This movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830),[1] who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.[2] The movement was made up of freethinkers, as an offshoot of the Enlightenment,[3] which some amateur historians believe was a conspiracy to infiltrate and overthrow the governments of many European states.[4] The group's adherents were given the name "Illuminati," although they called themselves "Perfectibilists". The group has also been called the Illuminati Order and the Bavarian Illuminati, and the movement itself has been referred to as Illuminism (after illuminism). In 1777, Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and, in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati.

During the period when it was legally allowed to operate, many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members, including Ferdinand of Brunswick and the diplomat Xavier von Zwack, who was also the number two man in the operation and was caught with much of the group's documentation when his home was searched.[5] The Illuminati's members pledged obedience to their superiors, and were divided into three main classes, each with several degrees. The order had its branches in most countries of the European continent; it reportedly had around 2,000 members over the span of 10 years.[2] The scheme had its attraction for literary men, such as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried Herder, and even for the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar. Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by The Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.[/spoiler]

They have symybols in the world but there ost famous one is Illuminati Eye which is on the one dollar bill [spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

more to come later ihave to go hope this clears most of your probelms anmd questions.

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:38 am
by Mordack
In modern society, the Freemasons are mostly an "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of organization. Most of the people within a community's lodge will be the most influencial members of said community, and are therefore in a good position to do one another favours. Doing a service for them more cheaply, for example, or hiring someone's daughter in preference to other job applicants. That sort of thing. I don't think they pull the strings of entire nations, but they certainly give one another unfair disadvantages in much smaller scale. It's a little absurd to think that such corruption exists within our modern and supposedly fair society.

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:57 pm
by semper
Mordack wrote:In modern society, the Freemasons are mostly an "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of organization. Most of the people within a community's lodge will be the most influencial members of said community, and are therefore in a good position to do one another favours. Doing a service for them more cheaply, for example, or hiring someone's daughter in preference to other job applicants. That sort of thing. I don't think they pull the strings of entire nations, but they certainly give one another unfair disadvantages in much smaller scale. It's a little absurd to think that such corruption exists within our modern and supposedly fair society.


Oh yes.. very much so. I know of the freemasons to some high degree. :) :wink:

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:40 am
by [KMA]Avenger

Re: Freemasonry conspiracy

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:08 pm
by Sammael
Mordack wrote:In modern society, the Freemasons are mostly an "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of organization. Most of the people within a community's lodge will be the most influencial members of said community, and are therefore in a good position to do one another favours. Doing a service for them more cheaply, for example, or hiring someone's daughter in preference to other job applicants. That sort of thing. I don't think they pull the strings of entire nations, but they certainly give one another unfair disadvantages in much smaller scale. It's a little absurd to think that such corruption exists within our modern and supposedly fair society.


you say that they dont pull strings of entire nations um 14 presidents of the untied states of america where freemasons :P

[spoiler]George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Howard Taft
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Gerald Ford


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Abraham Lincoln was not a Freemason. He did apply for membership in Tyrian Lodge, Springfield, Ill., shortly after his nomination for the presidency in 1860 but withdrew the application because he felt that his applying for membership at that time might be construed as a political ruse to obtain votes. He advised the lodge that he would resubmit his application again when he returned from the presidency.
Lincoln never returned. On the death of the president, Tyrian Lodge adopted, on April 17, 1865, a resolution to say "that the decision of President Lincoln to postpone his application for the honours of Freemasonry, lest his motives be misconstrued, is the highest degree honorable to his memory."



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Lyndon Johnson received his first degree on October 30, 1937. After receiving the degree he found that his congressional duties (elected in 1937) took so much time he was unable to pursue the masonic degrees.



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Ronald Reagan has often been referred to as a Freemason. President Reagan is not a Freemason although he is an honorary member of the Imperial Council of the Shrine. President Reagan has on numerous occasions been involved in Shrine and masonic functions throughout his career.

The confusion as to his membership arises from a ceremony held in the Oval Office of the White House on February 11th, 1988, when a group of Freemasons presented President Reagan with a certificate of honor from the Grand Lodge of Washington, D.C., then he was made an Honourary Scottish Rite mason. The title of Freemason can only be conferred by a Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons. In Reagan's case this was not done, probably because the ceremonies would have taken a full day to confer and the president's time was limited; therefore,President Reagan should only be referred to as a Shriner or Scottish Rite mason. The Shrine and Scottish Rite are concordant bodies and cannot confer the title Freemason on any person.



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George Bush has also on numerous occasions been referred to as a Freemason.The confusion as to President Bush being a member arises from the swearing in ceremonies at his inauguration. President Bush took his oath of office on the George Washington Bible which belongs to St. Johns Lodge in New York City. Because the Bible belonged to a Masonic Lodge many writers assumed he was a Freemason. The Bible was used at the request of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies

This Bible was first used on April 30, 1789, by the Grand Master of the Masons in New York, to administer the oath of office to George Washington, the first president. Other presidents who took their oath of office with this Bible are Warren G. Harding, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter.[/spoiler]

and on the one dollar bill there are Illuminati symbols which where authroised by one of the preisedants himself who was a freemason his name escapes me but it all explain on this site http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/gr ... /index.htm have fun reading