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are the concepts of Good and Evil a matter perspective? i mean, those who commit evil think their deeds as good and bring rewards or some kind of gratification to themselves.

or is there something more to the concepts of good and evil than simply perspective and or morality?

i'm referring to how people see themselves and not how society sees them

I.E. a person goes on a murderous rampage and kills 50 people, i and society will rightly label them as psychopaths, but in the mind of the of the psychopath they may see it as an act of mercy and therefore, a good deed...


get it?

cool...lol

erm, can i ask why you quote and post your reply within the quote?

So, are there universally applicable laws of morality or is it a matter of perspective?

Did Hitler truly think he was doing a good thing during the final solution? Quite probably, yes. From a certain perspective therefore Hitler was a savior. Of course, to the majority of people he is the very incarnation of evil.

Its widely recognised that genocide is a great evil, but what if there was a contagion and the only way of protecting the majority was by segregating those infected and, if ultimately necessary, killing them. Would this be a necessary evil? Is this what Germans were indoctrinated into believing about unclean minority groups?

There are social theories - ie: Benthamite utilitarianism - which are often brought into this kind of discussion - the greatest happiness for the greatest number - if the death of a few saves the many then the action is ultimately good.

Of course, I personally think there are more universal laws of morality - there are lines that should not be crossed under any situation, hence phrases such as crimes against humanity and the Geneva convention - just playing devil's advocate

great post mate, and i agree with your point of view about lines entirely.

Good or evil, it's a matter of whether or not you break the rules society imposed upon us all, whether you agree with those rules or not is entirely irrelevant.

Anyway, didn't we have this debate before?

dunno, did we?

P.S., this discussion/debate isn't about society's rules and rule breaking

[KMA]Avenger wrote:dunno, did we?

P.S., this discussion/debate isn't about society's rules and rule breaking

Next time you tell me what something is and is not about, you'll see what I can be about. Stop breaking forum rules now, and use your memory or the search function if former is lacking. Seriously.. I'm waiting for your next patronising remark.

i wasnt trying to patronize you...

and you should know me better, i hold no stock in threats, if i have broken a forum rule then point it out to me and punish me accordingly, but don't try to scare me, i'm not the scareing kind

can we stop being petty and get back on topic if i haven't broken any forum rules?

without a doubt there is good and evil and a consence is proff of it i can quite happily break a useless pety law (ie forum rules)but i know when i do something evil(steal). everybody does they just justify it as the lesser of two evils or the best course of action or whatever.

yes you can suffer from a faulty consence where you get brought up to suffer more or less guilt than you should but even psychopaths at least at one time knew that what they did was evil

YOu know all you need to do is look at those anti piracy ads in the cinemas. You know the ones that go 'you wouldnt steal a car' etc etc etc

But you know damn well that you bloody well would steal that (fill in the blank) if there were no consequences to your actions.

i duuno mate, i have no probs taking from corporations ( so long as it harms no one), but i do have a SERIOUS problem from stealing from the average Joe/Joanne on the street.

breaking into someone's home or stealing there car is harmful, something like a car is a persons pride and joy, given how damn hard we all have to work these days its not surprising

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i duuno mate, i have no probs taking from corporations ( so long as it harms no one), but i do have a SERIOUS problem from stealing from the average Joe/Joanne on the street.

Stealing is stealing - you're trying to rationalise that its not evil in one situation but it is in another. Just because you don't see the consequences of your actions when you steal from a corporation, doesn't mean they aren't there. For example, the sales department might not make its quota that month and Joe/Joanne face redundancy. Yes, you didn't steal their car, but your actions might lead to their sacking