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weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:34 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Mister Sandman wrote:Say if a society believes doing weed isn't hazardous to ones health. Therefore weed is good. Thus, weed is legalised.

However, the fact(truth) is weed does harm ones health. Therefore, weed is 'evil'. Thus, weed is illegal.



i decided to split this as well lol



there is actual fact, medical and living proof/evidence that weed is a powerful pain killer and very medicinal, so powerfully medicinal in fact that Hemp Oil cures cancer and many other ailments...

so, please explain or provide proof that weed is in fact evil/harmful.

please also bear in mind that tobacco and many prescription drugs are FAAAAAR more damageing to you health than weed, and yet weed is banned...now why is that?

and just for the record, i dont smoke weed and only smoked it 4/5 times in my early 20's.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:50 pm
by R'zul
i understand that people are frightened of drugs, but the fact anyone would decide to be afraid of a drug that makes people giggle alot, sit down, chill out and want to eat snacks seems borderline moronic to me.

just want to stick one of my favourite quotes in.

"A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an **Filtered**." - Frank Zappa

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:21 pm
by lordernest
Weed is bad for the perfectly healthly but it is a life saver for people who are sick, terminal illinesses and such, weed should be used a last resort pain relief to those seriously ill not for amusement for use by anyone anywhere.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:06 pm
by shooty08
like anything else it can be helpful or harmful. It can be used for good or evil.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:11 pm
by bigcakes
I think weed should be legalized, it is much safer than any other drug and safer than alcohol or tobacco.
kbye
john

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:12 pm
by Colton
ernest wrote:Weed is bad for the perfectly healthly but it is a life saver for people who are sick, terminal illinesses and such, weed should be used a last resort pain relief to those seriously ill not for amusement for use by anyone anywhere.


x2

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:59 pm
by serrin
I think the question may be invalid. Weed does not have the ability to be good nor evil.

The very diversity of the people who would use weed somewhat excludes a definitive answer.

That being said :P

Having used a fair amount of weed in my youth, I know the effects on the body, the brain and the reflexes. While these effects are fairly common, they are also vary in extremity from user to user. Also, legalizing weed would create huge overhead to the laws surrounding things that end in "under the influence". (pain) imagine not being able to get in (drive) the car based on arguable rules on how long THC is active in your system.

I concede that weed is less harmful than many things you can pick up off the grocery shelf. I don't think that reason makes it smart to legalize it.

I realize this doesn't answer the good/evil question, but I don't feel that is debatable. The better question may be "should weed be legalized" or something similar.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:23 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
in answer to the good/evil side of the argument, i only carried on from sandman and if i had made this topic from fresh-would not have used the terms "good/evil".

good reading so far :-)

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:05 pm
by Mister Sandman
[KMA]Avenger wrote:
i decided to split this as well lol

there is actual fact, medical and living proof/evidence that weed is a powerful pain killer and very medicinal, so powerfully medicinal in fact that Hemp Oil cures cancer and many other ailments...

so, please explain or provide proof that weed is in fact evil/harmful.

please also bear in mind that tobacco and many prescription drugs are FAAAAAR more damageing to you health than weed, and yet weed is banned...now why is that?

and just for the record, i dont smoke weed and only smoked it 4/5 times in my early 20's.


LOl, Im flattered :roll: ,

for this case, I will define 'weed' because you can have so many definitions. Let us define it as Cannabis which is intended for human consumption as a drug.



It has been reported that there is a link butween Marijuana and Mental Health. Studies have shown an association between marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia.

On another note, research suggest that such an outcome might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate (it increases both) and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

This not mentioning the hazardous affect to lungs.

It is also noted that weed is a gateway drug.

The statement:
Tobacco and many prescription drugs are far more damaging to ones health than weed.

Maybe true, however, the long term and short term side effects of weed is worse.

Talking about comparisons, alcohol may be see to be 'worse' however, in fact it isn't. If used responsibly alcohol is very beneficial. With smoking, Tobacco or Weed, there is no responsible amount one can handle.



[spoiler]Cannabis/marijuana: what are the effects?

The effects of any drug (including cannabis) vary from person to person. It depends on many factors, including an individual's size, weight and health, how the drug is taken, how much is taken, whether the person is used to taking it, and whether other drugs are taken.

Immediate effects
Small doses of cannabis can have effects that last 2 to 4 hours after smoking. These effects include:

* relaxation and loss of inhibition;
* increased appetite;
* affected perception of colour, sound and other sensations;
* impaired co-ordination; and
* affected thinking and memory.

Other common immediate effects include increased heart rate, low blood pressure and reddened eyes.

In greater quantities
Larger quantities of marijuana make the above effects stronger, and also tend to distort a person's perceptions.

Very large quantities of marijuana can produce:

* confusion;
* restlessness;
* feelings of excitement;
* hallucinations;
* anxiety or panic, or detachment from reality;
* decreased reaction time; and
* paranoia.

Long-term effects
Research shows evidence of some long-term effects in some regular cannabis users.

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Respiratory illness.

Marijuana cigarettes have more tar than tobacco, placing cannabis users at an increased risk of respiratory illness such as lung cancer and chronic bronchitis. Cigarette smokers who also smoke cannabis have an even greater risk of respiratory disease.
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Reduced motivation.

Many regular users have reported that they have less energy and motivation, so that performance at work or school suffers.
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Brain function.

Concentration, memory and the ability to learn can all be reduced by regular cannabis use. These effects can last for several months after ceasing cannabis use.
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Hormones.

Cannabis can affect hormone production. Research shows that some cannabis users have a lower sex drive. Irregular menstrual cycles and lowered sperm counts have also been reported.
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Immune system.

There is some concern that cannabis smoking may impair the functioning of the immune system.

Cannabis and psychosis
It is believed that cannabis use — especially if heavy and regular — may be linked to a condition known as a drug-induced psychosis, or ‘cannabis psychosis’. This can last up to a few days. The episodes are often characterised by hallucinations, delusions, memory loss and confusion.

There is some evidence that regular cannabis use increases the likelihood of psychotic symptoms occurring in an individual who is vulnerable due to a personal or family history of mental illness. Cannabis also appears to make psychotic symptoms worse for those with schizophrenia and lowers the chances of recovery from a psychotic episode.[/spoiler]

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:56 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i know many people who have been smoking marijuana for many years for all sorts of reasons, for instance, my brother smokes it relieve pain caused by his knee due to a high speed bike accident he was involved in which resulted in him snapping his right leg at the knee. he was prescribed many pain killers and they either did not work or were of such strength he found he was getting addicted to them and so asked his doctor if he could try weed and was refused, so now he is forced to smoke it regardless.
other's i know of, smoke it for pleasure and relaxation and are great people to be around and who are very responsible people who do no harm to anyone and don't have any of the symptoms supposedly associated with smoking weed...
1 guy i know has been smoking weed for near 30 years and is also highly active in the martial arts with a tremendous amount of stamina, so no effect on his lungs.

so, what do you think about Hemp oil which has been proven to cure many cancers and ailments?

i know personally, that the establishment do not want full strength Hemp Oil on the market because the pharma corps cannot make a profit from Hemp Oil as a cure for anything which is why they continuously lobby our govts to keep marijuana as an illegal drug...

more people make from cancer than people dying from the damn thing, and i don't say that lightly, my uncle and very recently, a close friend of mine have died from the damn thing, and another member of my family has been diagnosed with cancer :x

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:18 am
by Mister Sandman
[KMA]Avenger wrote:i know many people who have been smoking marijuana for many years for all sorts of reasons, for instance, my brother smokes it relieve pain caused by his knee due to a high speed bike accident he was involved in which resulted in him snapping his right leg at the knee. he was prescribed many pain killers and they either did not work or were of such strength he found he was getting addicted to them and so asked his doctor if he could try weed and was refused, so now he is forced to smoke it regardless.
other's i know of, smoke it for pleasure and relaxation and are great people to be around and who are very responsible people who do no harm to anyone and don't have any of the symptoms supposedly associated with smoking weed...
1 guy i know has been smoking weed for near 30 years and is also highly active in the martial arts with a tremendous amount of stamina, so no effect on his lungs.

Drugs effect others differently, same as everything.

so, what do you think about Hemp oil which has been proven to cure many cancers and ailments?

That is different. Firstly i doubt there is significant evidence to show that hemp oil is an actual cure. Might be a placebo. Secondly, allow me to bring in alcohol. Alcohol is used to dress wounds and all these other things yes? It isnt the direct consumption. Thus, the pretext is different.

i know personally, that the establishment do not want full strength Hemp Oil on the market because the pharma corps cannot make a profit from Hemp Oil as a cure for anything which is why they continuously lobby our govts to keep marijuana as an illegal drug... Conspiracy theory.

more people make from cancer than people dying from the damn thing, and i don't say that lightly, my uncle and very recently, a close friend of mine have died from the damn thing, and another member of my family has been diagnosed with cancer :x


Just something, noone has died directly from weed.

Also you provide no evidence.

The main reason marijuana would be illegal because it is mind altering.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:28 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i REALLY hate it when people say i provide no evidence :?

i don't know about other people and their ego's, but i dont say things just for the sake of it or so people can look at me as someone who knows something that others dont know...

why dont you go find out for yourself if what i say is true or not....

this is a good place to start:

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:43 am
by Mister Sandman
[KMA]Avenger wrote:i REALLY hate it when people say i provide no evidence :?
Because you never do.
i don't know about other people and their ego's, but i dont say things just for the sake of it or so people can look at me as someone who knows something that others dont know...

why dont you go find out for yourself if what i say is true or not....It is ment to be an intelligent discussion with evidence from both sides. We are lazy and usually dont like clicking and looking where your ideal lays in some random bias website. And FYI ive already tried to look for evidence before, did come across the website below.

this is a good place to start:

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

Very rare isolated cases, im sure there is a lot of omitted facts. As i note from the webpage there is only 3 cases. Im sure that many others have tired hemp oil but never succeeded.

Alot of Testimonials on there is utter crap to say the least.

Also, the research seems less factual and no substance to it.

Overall, creditability is questionable.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:50 am
by [KMA]Avenger
the credibility of all our Govts is far less credible given the fact that repeated requests have been made to many western Govts to have Hemp Oil thoroughly tested and all data to be made public...

to date, all Govts that have been requested to do so, and all major cancer charity's/organizations have all turned down the requests with no explanation.

why not try watching the film "Run From The Cure", and hear and see first hand from people who have survived cancer by taking Hemp Oil, and see for yourself the persecution of rick Simpson by the state for simply trying to help people.

you know, i would think that ANY plant that could potentially save lives would be given the most stringent and rigorous testing known to man....and yet, nothing is done.

Re: weed, good or evil?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:07 am
by Mister Sandman
[spoiler]
[KMA]Avenger wrote:the credibility of all our Govts is far less credible given the fact that repeated requests have been made to many western Govts to have Hemp Oil thoroughly tested and all data to be made public...

to date, all Govts that have been requested to do so, and all major cancer charity's/organizations have all turned down the requests with no explanation.

why not try watching the film "Run From The Cure", and hear and see first hand from people who have survived cancer by taking Hemp Oil, and see for yourself the persecution of rick Simpson by the state for simply trying to help people.

you know, i would think that ANY plant that could potentially save lives would be given the most stringent and rigorous testing known to man....and yet, nothing is done.
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1. It isnt wholey the government that is responsible for being agisnt that sort of testing.
2. So?
3. Ive got better things to do with my time. :P
4. That is possible. Point being?



And
Let me stop you before you go off topic even more. This topic is about weed, more particularity the smoking of weed.